# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/681 "2013-04-13T23:24:19Z")
Math and science are just Jewish conspiracies, **John**. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/682 "2013-04-13T23:32:38Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Why, isn’t it obvious? Just as the Whites are defined as those who are _targeted_ for genocidification, Non-Whites are defined as those who are _committing_ it! Very symmetrical. A circular argument _is_ symmetrical, right? Hey, Rwandans! Good news, white brothers! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/683 "2013-04-13T23:41:21Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > Okay, so. Anti-racists encourage immigration to ethnically white nations, but remain silent (or even discourage) immigration to ethnically non-white nations. Higher proportions of non-white individuals in ethnically white nations lead to a higher proportion of births being racially non-white (which includes mixed races). Over time, an ethnically white nation with sufficiently open immigration policies would lead to the birth of no new white individuals. Any scenario in which no persons of a particular race remain alive counts as genocide. Thus, anti-racists advocate genocide for white persons but not for those of other races. Then finally: anti-racists hate white people. Or, as William Luther Pierce put the same thought (more strongly) in _The Turner Diaries:_ > [@](#): > > But one thing that is quite clear is that much more than our freedom is at stake. If the Organization fails in its task now, everything will be lost – our history, our heritage, all the blood and sacrifices and upward striving of countless thousands of years. The Enemy we are fighting fully intends to destroy the racial basis of our existence. > > No excuse for our failure will have any meaning, for there will be only a swarming horde of indifferent, mulatto zombies to hear it. There will be no White men to remember us – either to blame us for our weakness or to forgive us for our folly. > > If we fail, God’s great Experiment will come to an end, and this planet will once again, as it did millions of years ago, move through the ether devoid of higher man. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/684 "2013-04-13T23:44:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Since our new WN posters here are unable or unwilling to define “white”, maybe than can answer these simple questions: > > 1. How many white people are there in the US currently? > > 2. How many white people were there in the US 50 years ago? > > 3. Do those two numbers show an increase or decease in the number of whites in the US? :dubious: Y’know, some of those might just be **passing** for white . . . it’s not hard to do on a census form . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/685 "2013-04-13T23:49:11Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > Imagine being so frightened of people who look different from you that you believe you’re being genocided when an Indian guy moves in next door. Let us all bear in mind that said POV [once was entirely mainstream in America,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town) and not all that long ago, either. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/686 "2013-04-14T00:06:27Z")
So an “anti-racist” is really an “anti-white”? And if I am white, under your erm…cryptic code, am I “anti-white” for liking chicks with darker complexions that mine? Or am I limited to Scandinavians? Fuck that. It’d ruin my sex life – such as it is now a days. Do you like have, a “color-chart” as most paint companies do? If not, that just might be your calling: human hues, paint salesman. Fuck it, you can be the CEO as well. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/687 "2013-04-14T00:12:37Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I heard that the National Front in England, which previously was all about the Anglo-Saxon race, now is basically like “well, Celts are native people too so let’s rise together against the rest of _those_ people.” Or maybe I have my far-right movements mixed up. “An Englishman is a German who has forgotten his grandmother was Welsh.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/688 "2013-04-14T00:24:31Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Ah, but have you heard of the [Mongolian Nazis](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right)? Taking Nazism to a whole new level of WTF ;). I dunno, maybe not so strange, this is the culture that produced Genghiz Khan . . . ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/689 "2013-04-14T00:30:00Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > White French have been completely driven out of huge sections of France that the government calls “[sensitive urban zones](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/16/sensitive-urban-areas/).” . Not asking to White Survivalist but to other dopers : what kind of paper is the “Washington Times”? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/690 "2013-04-14T00:45:05Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Not asking to White Survivalist but to other dopers : what kind of paper is the “Washington Times”? Rational Wiki has the goods in a convenient cite: > [@](#): > > The Washington Times (aka The Moonie Times) is Washington, D.C.'s “other” newspaper, perpetually playing second fiddle to the Washington Post. The Times has lost money ever since its inception in 1982. Why do they keep publishing? Mainly because it is owned by the Unification Church which has pumped over $1.7 billion into the paper to keep it afloat.[1] Although much of the early Times staff came from the defunct Washington Star, the paper’s board of directors are all members of the Unification Church and the staff undergoes occasional purges, resignations, and faction fights over the direction of the paper.[2] No less an authority than the Rev. Moon himself has proclaimed the Times a “gift” to America to thank the U.S. for fighting Communism in Korea, or something like that.[3] In 2002 Rev. Moon outdid himself by proclaiming he established the Times “in response to heaven’s direction” and that “The Washington Times will become the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world.”[4] > > The editorial slant of the Washington Times is notably conservative and partisan in favor of the Republican Party. On occasion, they do some bang-up investigative journalism and muckraking, sometimes on other conservative groups which the Moonies are involved in intramural feuds with. Usually though, the Times is a quaint bore, ever pining for a return to the glory days of the 1850s or 1920s, and Ronald Reagan’s befuddled dreams of reactionary radicalism. > > The paper promotes all sorts of wingnut curiosities, including various pseudosciences (creationism, anti-environmentalism, global warming denial, false claims about abortion and abstinence-only sex education) and bigotry (homophobia, Islamophobia, anti-secularism). ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/691 "2013-04-14T00:45:43Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I simply pointed out that there is no such thing as “assimilated out.” You keep repeating the same words, over & over. They don’t mean what you think they mean. You’re just parroting a few phrases, not engaging in debate. > > Did some of those _other_ matters I mentioned sting a bit? Assimilated in, assimilated out. you understand what I’m talking about. “Diversity” advocates talk about assimilation ALL THE TIME. I’m not engaging in debate because there is no debate here, only anti-whites saying “I don’t know what you mean”, “Thats silly”, “Technically it’s not assimilated in, its assimilated out”. A debate can only occur when people understand **concepts**. Anti-whites here have discussed NO concepts at all, only technicalities and definitions. I’m repeating myself, because I’m getting nothing. I asked for a white nation, which it would be A-OK with anti-whites if it took measures to preserve its whiteness. No anti-white has said “Nation/Country X would be acceptable to anti-whites if it rejected multiracialism”. I said that if ALL white nations take in large numbers of non-whites and assimilate, then the white race would mix out, but no one has said how it is possible **in a manner acceptable for anti-racists** for white people to continue as a race with mass immigration and assimilation and intermarriage. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/692 "2013-04-14T00:49:11Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Oh, and Algeria? Settled by “white” Phoenicians, then by “white” Romans, then by “white” Vandals and Visigoths. There were a few darker, (but still mostly “Caucasian”) Berbers that got in there, later, and probably a few darker Touaregs eventually got into the mix, but they are overwhelmingly “white” by any definition other than the imaginary ones used by the fearful defenders of “whiteness.” > . Nitpick : Berbers are the original population of Algeria (of most of North-Africa, in fact). They predate Phoenicians, etc… by a long while. Also Tuaregs belong to the same population. “Berbers” either refer to that population as a whole (including Kabyls, Tuaregs, etc…) or to the sub-group that populated most of northern Morroco. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/693 "2013-04-14T00:52:18Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Since our new WN posters here are unable or unwilling to define “white”, maybe than can answer these simple questions: > > 1. How many white people are there in the US currently? > > 2. How many white people were there in the US 50 years ago? > > 3. Do those two numbers show an increase or decease in the number of whites in the US? > > 4. Regarding this “genocide” that is being discussed… when does it happen? Feel free to use whatever mathematical definition as long as you have some scientific data to back up the numbers you use. That is to say, if you want to define “genocide” as the point when whites in the US are only 10% of their current population number, that’s cool. Just tell us what definition you use, and when it is projected to happen. > > For extra credit, substitution “the world” for “the US” in the above questions. The topic is "anti-racist is a code-word for anti-white. It is not “are anti-whites succeeding” or “how far along to a mixed race world are we”. Nice dodge, but I’m not buying. If one ADVOCATES a situation, whereby ALL white nations will have mass non-white immigration and ADVOCATES assimilation, then they are advocating a position where the white race is mixed out, ie Genocide. Whether this is a success or not, is not relevant. The issue is that people are pushing this position. If one advocates Genocide, it is not acceptable because it may not happen. If someone was to say “the world would be a better place without Jews”, they are not exonerated from a hate crime, because there are still lots of Jews. they are judged by their intent. No anti-white would say that anti-semitism is acceptable, because acts of anti-semitism don’t appear to be an immediate threat to Jews. Likewise for anti-whites. However, whties countries DO have non-white immigration, and they DO have intermarriage and they DO have anti-whites promoting through the media a ‘mixed world’ and they ARE doing this ONLY in white countries. All the pieces required for white Genocide are there. We are saying that you are anti-white due to supporting those pieces being there. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/694 "2013-04-14T00:54:02Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I said that if ALL white nations take in large numbers of non-whites and assimilate, then the white race would mix out, but no one has said how it is possible **in a manner acceptable for anti-racists** for white people to continue as a race with mass immigration and assimilation and intermarriage. Not easy to parse out, but if I get it, then here is what’s probably going to continue to happen: Some white people have kids with other white people, some people don’t. Mixed people become more common, but the overall white population increases in the world (like it always has). Violence in the world continues to go down as it has for decades. So at point X in the future, there are more white people in the world than there are now. Most white people continue to not care that much that many white people are having mixed babies. Most white people continue to ignore and/or mock people who whine about “white genocide” at the same time the global white population is increasing and overall quality of life is increasing as well. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/695 "2013-04-14T00:57:13Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Likewise for anti-whites. However, whties countries DO have non-white immigration, and they DO have intermarriage and they DO have anti-whites promoting through the media a ‘mixed world’ and they ARE doing this ONLY in white countries. > > All the pieces required for white Genocide are there. We are saying that you are anti-white due to supporting those pieces being there. So what are you advocating? Do you want to outlaw intermarriage? Kick out non-white people? You do recognize that most white people have close friends and/or family who are non-white, and this is why most white people are against you, right? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/696 "2013-04-14T00:58:44Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > A debate can only occur when people understand **concepts**. Anti-whites here have discussed NO concepts at all, only technicalities and definitions. > > I’m repeating myself, because I’m getting nothing. You (and yours) have presented no “concepts” (unless you actually believe that whiny cries of “_I believe I am part of a group that is being eliminated even though I cannot even identify my group and I am incapable of demonstrating any example that any of “my” people have been eliminated_” qualifies as a “concept”). You are repeating yourself because _you got nothin’_. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/697 "2013-04-14T01:01:56Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Nitpick : Berbers are the original population of Algeria (of most of North-Africa, in fact). They predate Phoenicians, etc… by a long while. > > Also Tuaregs belong to the same population. “Berbers” either refer to that population as a whole (including Kabyls, Tuaregs, etc…) or to the sub-group that populated most of northern Morroco. Nit picking about words when concepts are involved is a sign of the outargued. Global Warming deniers do this all the time. They ask for ‘proof’, and then nit pick about the proof. They nitpick about the use of the world “global” and say “Well, if region X is cooler this year, then its not global, therefore its not ‘Global’ warming therefore your whole thesis is bunk”. Standard tactic. Find a small imperfection (ie, the fact that ‘white’ isn’t perfectly defined for ALL 7 billion people on this planet) and then attempt to claim the _entire_ thesis is bunk, despite the fact that it doesn’t rest, at all, on the exact definition of white, only the broad, general definition. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/698 "2013-04-14T01:03:19Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Nit picking about words when concepts are involved is a sign of the outargued. > > Global Warming deniers do this all the time. They ask for ‘proof’, and then nit pick about the proof. They nitpick about the use of the world “global” and say “Well, if region X is cooler this year, then its not global, therefore its not ‘Global’ warming therefore your whole thesis is bunk”. > > Standard tactic. Find a small imperfection (ie, the fact that ‘white’ isn’t perfectly defined for ALL 7 billion people on this planet) and then attempt to claim the _entire_ thesis is bunk, despite the fact that it doesn’t rest, at all, on the exact definition of white, only the broad, general definition. …you do realize clairobscur wasn’t actually disagreeing with Warraq’s point, right? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/699 "2013-04-14T01:03:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > What are some of the products of a “white heritage”, anyway? Classical music? NASCAR? What’s in danger of being lost? > > If it’s just low melanin production… big deal. I read an SF short story back when the hole in the ozone layer was bigger news. A couple trying to marry was getting all sorts of static, including legal barriers, because they were both darker skinned, (one black and one Latino or both black–I don’t recall), because by marrying each other instead of picking white partners, they were denying necessary UV ray blocking melanin to the next generation. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/700 "2013-04-14T01:03:58Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > t and it is thought that they might have once been of the same ancestral population pool of the Peul but that migrated north when the Sahara dried. > . According to another hypothesis, they might be remotely related to Sémites an originated in the Middle-East. Nobody knows for sure where and whence they came, but in any case, they’ve been there for a very long while. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=36)