# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/721 "2013-04-14T02:05:16Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I’m not here to advocate solutions, \ Because you know that calling for slavery, mass murder and forced sterilization will make your reception even more hostile. Although we all know that’s what your ideological movement has always wanted, and done when it could. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Liberals consider those countries which must be opened to third world immigration white countries, because they refer to all the countries which must be come diverse, as white countries. So, the Japanese are white now? Your understanding of “liberals” is as inaccurate as your understanding of “race” and “genocide”. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > What matters, is that anti-whites **target** whites, by identifying **whiteness** as a problem. It is WHITE areas which they say, need diversity. It is when WHITE people, **they** say resist diversity, where you have ‘racism’. No, that’s just part of your pre-programmed reality-free [mantra](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racism_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white) that you keep regurgitating onto the board, despite no one buying it. It’s not only irrational rhetoric, it’s pretty much copy-and-pasted irrational rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/722 "2013-04-14T02:12:18Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Wait, which is it? If it logically results in genocide, then it must eventually be successful, or else there is another logical outcome that isn’t genocide. > > So, I’ll ask my questions again: > > How many whites are there in the world now, and how many (according to your calculations) will there be, say, 100 years from now? > > Because if you can’t answer that question, I can envision another logical outcome that does not result in genocide. That is, white people keep reproducing and creating more white people. If you advocate that ALL white countries must take in non-whites and that people should interbreed (ie not have any racial bias in selecting a mate, which is what anti-racists advocate), then what do you think would happen? More non-whites appear in white nations. Probability of intermarriage increases. Children mixed race. Probabilty of intermarriage increases. It seems you don’t want to think about that. If you PROMOTE those ideals, you are promoting Genocide. Anti-whites KEEP promoting it for as long as there are white areas which aren’t diverse. “Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.” “The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.” “Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.” “What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?” “How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?” “And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?” “But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.” “They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.” “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.” ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/723 "2013-04-14T02:13:44Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because you know that calling for slavery, mass murder and forced sterilization will make your reception even more hostile. Although we all know that’s what your ideological movement has always wanted, and done when it could. > > So, the Japanese are white now? Your understanding of “liberals” is as inaccurate as your understanding of “race” and “genocide”. > > No, that’s just part of your pre-programmed reality-free [mantra](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racism_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white) that you keep regurgitating onto the board, despite no one buying it. It’s not only irrational rhetoric, it’s pretty much copy-and-pasted irrational rhetoric. People are saying that Japan must become multiracial? People are saying that Japan is too ethnically homogenous and that this is a racial issue? People are saying that Japan being Japanese is a problem? Who? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/724 "2013-04-14T02:16:05Z")
Now we’re back to quoting the material the OP quoted - without explanation. Warning issued to **AssemblyLineHuman** for ignoring moderator instructions. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/725 "2013-04-14T02:16:28Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, that’s just part of your pre-programmed reality-free [mantra](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racism_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white) that you keep regurgitating onto the board, despite no one buying it. It’s not only irrational rhetoric, it’s pretty much copy-and-pasted irrational rhetoric. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > “Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.” > “The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.” > “Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.” > “What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?” > “How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?” > “And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?” > “But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.” > “They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.” > “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.” You couldn’t even wait a _single post_ before proving me right. That’s right off the page I linked to! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/726 "2013-04-14T02:16:50Z")
I’m guessing that ALH’s formula would get cheers of support on the boards he normally visits, and he can’t understand why they don’t here, and the only strategy he has is repetition. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/727 "2013-04-14T02:17:01Z")
So an anti-racist would discourage white people from immigrating to say India and having mixed race children there? If you really believe this you have a very strange definition of people against racism, in fact I’d bet most people against racism would have no problem with white people immigrating to non-white countries. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/728 "2013-04-14T02:18:26Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > People are saying that Japan must become multiracial? People are saying that Japan is too ethnically homogenous and that this is a racial issue? > > People are saying that Japan being Japanese is a problem? Who? The people who point out that they are economically screwing themselves with their rigid, race based immigration policies. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/729 "2013-04-14T02:19:07Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Rational Wiki has the goods in a convenient cite: Thanks. I got there was something wrong with this paper after reading the article about French “sensitive areas”, but I didn’t expect to be that peculiar. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/730 "2013-04-14T02:28:08Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Thanks. I got there was something wrong with this paper after reading the article about French “sensitive areas”, but I didn’t expect to be that peculiar. You’re welcome. I actually forgot the link there so here it is: > **[The Washington Times](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times)** > > The Moonie Washington Times is Washington, D.C.'s perpetual second fiddle to the Washington Post. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/731 "2013-04-14T02:31:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The people who point out that they are economically screwing themselves with their rigid, race based immigration policies. And given the native population’s low birth rate, the Japanese race and culture is _far_ more likely to go extinct than the white race and culture if they don’t change their policies in a hurry. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/732 "2013-04-14T02:37:43Z")
Well, plus the toll of all those Godzilla attacks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/733 "2013-04-14T02:39:23Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Nit picking about words when concepts are involved is a sign of the outargued. > > Global Warming deniers do this all the time. They ask for ‘proof’, and then nit pick about the proof. They nitpick about the use of the world “global” and say “Well, if region X is cooler this year, then its not global, therefore its not ‘Global’ warming therefore your whole thesis is bunk”. Your whole point here is that someone making that foolish nitpick would, of course, be using the wrong definition. The correct – and obvious – response would be to reply with the correct definition; isn’t that what you’d _actually_ do if someone made the “global” argument you’re sensibly deriding? Isn’t that what, y’know, _anyone_ would do? Reply to an inaccurate nitpick with mere accuracy for the win? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/734 "2013-04-14T02:40:00Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I didn’t say that. That was Tomndeb. I think he’s correct thought that the northern part of Algeria was initially settled by Phoenicians while the Southern part was held by the Berbers. Apologies for the misquote, then. However, the Northern part was settled by the Phoenicians, indeed, but the Berbers predated them [QUOTE=Wikipedia] Berbers (Berber: ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⴻⵏ Imazighen/Imaziɣen) are the **indigenous** ethnic group of North Africa, west of the Nile Valley [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > **By 5000 BC** , the populations of North Africa are an amalgamation of Ibero-Maurisian and Capsian stock blended with a more recent intrusion associated with the Neolithic revolution.[23] Out of these populations, the proto-Berber tribes form during the Late Bronze to Early Iron Age.[24] > [@](#): > > From their principal center of power at Carthage, the Carthaginians expanded and established small settlements along the North African coast; **by 600 BC,** a Phoenician presence existed at Tipasa, east of Cherchell, Hippo Regius (modern Annaba) and Rusicade (modern Skikda). These settlements served as market towns as well as anchorages. The first Phenician colonies in modern day Tunisia appeared about 100 years earlier. But Berbers’ ancestors had already been there for thousands of years. A quote I like wrt the origin of Berbers and vaguely relevant to this thread : > [@](#): > > DNA analysis has found commonalities between Berber populations and those of the Sami people of Scandinavia ---
**Author:** ![doubleminus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5daacb/32.png) [@doubleminus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doubleminus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/735 "2013-04-14T02:59:01Z")
I am watching this thread and I fail to _really_ understand it. So I’d like to piggyback with a question that might clarify things a bit for a non-American: Is the real malaise affecting “concerned white Americans” vs. the immigration and “supremacy” a **skin color** issue or a **cultural/social** one ? That is, will a hypothetical perfectly “assimilated”, protestant, well educated person of say, Pakistani extraction who has perfect accent and American manners, but quite dark skin, be feared as “diluting” the whites ? As against another hypothetical whiter than white French catholic person that sneers at American values, American food and American Sex with a heavy French accent. Sorry for barging. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/736 "2013-04-14T03:06:29Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > The topic is "anti-racist is a code-word for anti-white. It is not “are anti-whites succeeding” or “how far along to a mixed race world are we”… OK, I explained how “assimilated out” is meaningless because being assimilated means _joining_ a group. Now, let’s look at “anti-racist.” I’ll be the second person on this thread to mention we’ve got another nonsense phrase here. _Nobody_ says “anti-racist”–except certain groups who show up when one Googles. Who says “anti-murderer” or “anti-child molester”? Words are all you have to explain your concepts. Learn how to use them! To _doubleminus_: The latest arrival claims to be Australian, not American. In fact, none of the three has harped on “Americanism”. They are concerned about Whiteness, which they can’t really define. Here in Texas, I’ve certainly witnessed racism–but not the malignant type being demonstrated in this thread… ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/737 "2013-04-14T03:44:07Z")
> [@doubleminus](#): > > I am watching this thread and I fail to _really_ understand it. So I’d like to piggyback with a question that might clarify things a bit for a non-American: > > Is the real malaise affecting “concerned white Americans” vs. the immigration and “supremacy” a **skin color** issue or a **cultural/social** one ? That is, will a hypothetical perfectly “assimilated”, protestant, well educated person of say, Pakistani extraction who has perfect accent and American manners, but quite dark skin, be feared as “diluting” the whites ? As against another hypothetical whiter than white French catholic person that sneers at American values, American food and American Sex with a heavy French accent. Actually, that is the very question that they have all been assiduously avoiding all the while complaining that the question of who is “white” is an evasion. Most people already know who is “white,” but the White Nationalists, White Supremacists, and others of similar bent are often found to have really odd, (not to say–OK, I’ll say it–silly) ideas of who gets to be “white.” So letting them rant on about the elimination of some imaginary group that we can recognize is not endangered is tiresome and we wish they would just tell us who they believe is threatened, (and by whom, since the people so far accused of threatening them have no power to accomplish any such goal). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/738 "2013-04-14T04:52:50Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > If you advocate that ALL white countries must take in non-whites and that people should interbreed (ie not have any racial bias in selecting a mate, which is what anti-racists advocate), then what do you think would happen? > > More non-whites appear in white nations. Probability of intermarriage increases. Children mixed race. Probabilty of intermarriage increases. Well, personally I think each country should set it’s own immigration policies, but it would be silly for many “white” countries with declining birth rates to refuse immigrants who could help their country actually grow just because the immigrants had a different skin color. Japan is going to have to face that problem very soon, just as many European countries do. Most “non-white” countries don’t have a problem of decreasing population, so it’s not really an issue for them. But some, like Japan, do. It’s not so much a white/non-white thing as an industrialized/not-quite-industrialized thing. You are trying to make it a racial/cultural problem when it is fundamentally an economic problem. Still, there is no indication that whites will disappear as a race, and you are dodging every opportunity to tell us when you think this will actually happen. If you are so sure it will, then you should be able to tell us when, at least to the nearest order magnitude. I mean, I’m giving you every opportunity to give us your best estimate in the looses possible manner. > [@](#): > > It seems you don’t want to think about that. I have no problem thinking about that at all. You have problems fleshing out your ideas and posting something beyond the talking points that your organization feeds you. Repeating the same tired, unproven statements over and over doesn’t make them true. > [@](#): > > If you PROMOTE those ideals, you are promoting Genocide. Nope. Until you tell us when this genocide is predicted to occur, we will continue to see that you are just making stuff up. ---
**Author:** ![mbetter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/53a042/32.png) [@mbetter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbetter)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/739 "2013-04-14T05:03:49Z")
I’m just saying that when we die there’s going to be a planet for the French, a planet for the Chinese, and we’ll all be a lot happier. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/740 "2013-04-14T05:06:59Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > “The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.” Really? Nobody says this? How about that bastion of White Nationalism, the New York Times? > [@](#): > > [**Insular Japan Needs, but Resists, Immigration**](http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/world/insular-japan-needs-but-resists-immigration.html) > > Many economists and demographers here and abroad say Japan’s success or failure in addressing the concerns of immigrants like the Nakashimas will go a long way toward determining whether this country remains an economic powerhouse or whether its population shrivels and the slow fade of its economy turns into a rout. > > \ > > Better integration of women into the workplace may help in the short term, but experts say the only hope for stabilizing the population is large-scale immigration, sustained over many years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=38)