# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/761 "2013-04-14T21:10:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > So, the Japanese are white now? I think the phrase is ‘honourary Aryan’. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/762 "2013-04-14T21:20:33Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > If you advocate that ALL white countries must take in non-whites and that people should interbreed (ie not have any racial bias in selecting a mate, which is what anti-racists advocate), then what do you think would happen? > > More non-whites appear in white nations. Probability of intermarriage increases. Children mixed race. Probabilty of intermarriage increases. > > It seems you don’t want to think about that. I’ve thought about it. And I don’t see the problem. The culture of the host country stays pretty much the same (with maybe more exotic restaurants) but the people themselves get a little browner. And? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/763 "2013-04-14T21:21:18Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > With a dodge, along the lines of “why is OK for non-white and ONLY non-white countries to not be subject to MASSIVE immigration from …” You’re right. I’m fooling myself. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/764 "2013-04-14T21:43:37Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > You’re right. I’m fooling myself. The tactics they are using are incredibly transparent. Never answer a question or take up a challenge. Just throw back the same statements and try to keep the other side on the defensive. As long as the other side is on the defensive, they don’t have to actually defend any of their own claims. Ann Coulter does the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/765 "2013-04-14T22:43:17Z")
_Gasp_ You don’t mean to suggest that Ann Coulter. . .? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/766 "2013-04-14T23:17:41Z")
I just hope that when the genocide eventually happens, someone will have managed to preserve for posterity the epitome of White culture that is “tuna casserole”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/767 "2013-04-14T23:45:12Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > _Gasp_ You don’t mean to suggest that Ann Coulter. . .? Not sure what you mean, but if you think I might be implying that she’s a WN, I don’t think so. But she would probably find a lot of common cause with them. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/768 "2013-04-15T00:19:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Not sure what you mean, but if you think I might be implying that she’s a WN, I don’t think so. But she would probably find a lot of common cause with them. From reading interviews with her, I think “Ann Coulter” the media presence is mostly just an act. I mean, she dated an Arabic Muslim dude. I’m not saying she isn’t a conservative, I think she is, but I think most of what she says is for ratings and because she enjoys outraging people. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/769 "2013-04-15T00:23:26Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > From reading interviews with her, I think “Ann Coulter” the media presence is mostly just an act. I mean, she dated an Arabic Muslim dude. I’m not saying she isn’t a conservative, I think she is, but I think most of what she says is for ratings and because she enjoys outraging people. Oh, she’s definitely a troll alright. And she’s been able to make it pay handsomely! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/770 "2013-04-15T02:31:21Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Are all the anti-anti-racists banned now? I’m sort of curious how they’d respond to my “purity” explanation… **White Survivalist** : Unbanned, but hasn’t been online since the 11th. **AssemblyLineHuman** : Unbanned, “Last Activity: Yesterday 07:14 PM” ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/771 "2013-04-15T02:36:32Z")
Hamsters on vacation. The pale-skinned ones anyway… Can’t say that I blame them. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/772 "2013-04-15T04:00:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I just hope that when the genocide eventually happens, someone will have managed to preserve for posterity the epitome of White culture that is “tuna casserole”. I would add barbershop singing, but I found out a while ago that even **that** has black roots . . . hard to believe . . . Ah, well, we still have our pure-white musical forms like classical and jazz and rap and hip-hop! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/773 "2013-04-15T04:41:02Z")
To me this “genocide” works both ways with immigrants coming into “White Nations”. My Wife is hispanic, half Dominican and half Cuban. Although her family has some European in there they definitely have majority native blood, if you looked at her you wouldn’t call her white. My Wife has four sisters, all of which are with white men. My wife has a daughter from a previous marriage who has blonde hair and blue eyes, the son I have with my wife has blond hair and blue eyes he’s literally a Hitler wet dream, we also have a daughter on the way, I wonder how she will look but its prob an easy guess. Unless I told you, you would never guess that my son has any non white ancestors, nobody in my immediate family even has light hair we all have dark brown. So whose “genetic heritage” seems to be disappearing, doesn’t seem to be the white side? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/774 "2013-04-15T05:06:13Z")
So, did we ever figure out if it’s wrong to be opposed to racism, and if being opposed to discriminatory housing/immigration policies is or is not identical with perpetrating genocide against the ‘White Race’? Need answer fast. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/775 "2013-04-15T07:53:47Z")
This morning (China time), I called back to the US to speak with my parents. It should be noted that my parents are senior citizens (and that I’m just a few years shy of that status myself) and that my parents were born in the early 1930s in Richmond, Virginia and grew up in that city. While we talking, my mother brought up President Obama and referred to him as _Black_. I decided that would be a great opportunity to ask something brought up earlier in this very thread. Here’s that part of the conversation: Monty (M): Mom, why do you call him Black. Monty’s Mom (MM): Because he is. His father’s Black. M: Well, his mother’s White. Why don’t you call him White? MM: Because his father’s Black. M: Okay. I get it. If his father’s White and his mother’s Black, then you’d call him White. MM: Nope. He’d still be Black. M: Mom. He’s just as White as he’s Black if one parent is White and one parent is Black. Right? MM: Yep. He’s half Black and half White. M: Well, then maybe you shouldn’t call him Black. Maybe you shouldn’t call him White. Just call him a man. I wonder if our recently arrived SF WN AAR RTA ST\* contingent can grasp the point. \*Storm Front White Nationalist Anti-Anti-Racist Refusing to Answer Shock Troop ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/776 "2013-04-15T10:23:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Really? Nobody says this? How about that bastion of White Nationalism, the New York Times? Japan has an economic problem. No liberal says it has a RACE problem. No one is saying Japan has to become multiracial. No one is saying that Japan must become diverse. Again, I can find many examples of people pushing the need for racial diversity to solve the ‘problem’ of whiteness, but no one says that for non-white countries. Japan can resist (which it does), and NOT get called racist for it. Not that anyone is demanding Ja ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/777 "2013-04-15T10:26:21Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Huh? I wasn’t talking to you, I was correcting a reference made by another poster about Berbers. > > Regarding your statements, I have the same opinion as many other posters : I don’t believe there’s a “white race” not that there’s a “genocide”. > > I’m sure you’re thinking I’m disingeneous, but I’m not. I do believe races are a social construct, and that we have to be seriously brainwashed from childhood to buy into the concept of races that quite obviously makes no sense when you look at it objectively. Some examples : > > -Just travel from Sweden to Sicilia, then cross to Libya, go to Egypt, follow the Nile river to its springs. Presumably at some point during this travel, “white” people turns into “black” people. But where? What makes somebody you see at some point during this trip “white” rather than “black”? > > -Turkey, already mentioned several times, is indeed a great example. They have a strong feeling of national identity, but what are their “racial” ethnicity? There was originally the empire of Hatti there (and I wouldn’t know who those were, either), the the “people of the sea”, the Greeks, the Persians, the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, and that’s not counting all the people who individually moved in over the centuries into the Hatti, Persian, Byzantine, Ottoman empires coming from who know where. Turkish people strictly speaking are of Asian origin. Their language is Asian. But the average Turk person probably has very few Asian “blood”. What can you make of them, when speaking of races. > > -Outward appearance isn’t an indicator either. Plenty of populations have curly hair and black skin and have no relationship with Africa. “Black” americans probably have for the most part more European ancestors than African ancestors. > The US president isn’t Black, either. And that’s common knowledge, since his parents’ origin is well known. He’s called “Black” for cultural reasons, and an alien visitor not knowing anything about American culture would wonder why he’s “Black” rather than “white”. > > -From a biological point of view, if you try to sort out populations by genetic proximity, you end end with several sub-saharian populations, and another group of “everybody else” including Irish people as well as Chinese people and Australian aborigenes. > I could go on (Jews, Latnos, etc..) but everybody else already stated the same thing. And before you use your usual canard, I personnally don’t use sentences like “Whites have been oppressing Blacks for centuries”, I’m opposed to positive discrimination, etc… > > Had you kept the usual bullshit about immigrants being about to destroy the European culture with their muslim ways or something like that, or even “If we keep on mixing up, there won’t be any blue-eyed redhead left in a couple centuries”, I wouldn’t have bothered to answer, but at least it would have made sense. There’s such a thing as an European culture and such a thing as a redhead, at least. But there’s no such thing as a “white race”. > I can’t tell if your honest in your belief that there’s a “white genocide” going on. I suspect you’re at least in part kwowingly disingeneous, but maybe you really believe all of it. In which case, you’re seriously deluded and/or paranoid. “Because no one can define EXACTLY where ‘white’ begins and ends, calling for ALL and ONLY white countries to become multiracial isn’t anti-white!” Good grief, is that really your argument? You’re excusing a program of Genocide, because there are some people who may or may not fall into the category of white? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/778 "2013-04-15T10:31:22Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Japan has an economic problem. No liberal says it has a RACE problem. No one is saying Japan has to become multiracial. No one is saying that Japan must become diverse. Except for all the ones who just pointed out that they should. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/779 "2013-04-15T10:36:52Z")
> [@doubleminus](#): > > I am watching this thread and I fail to _really_ understand it. So I’d like to piggyback with a question that might clarify things a bit for a non-American: > > Is the real malaise affecting “concerned white Americans” vs. the immigration and “supremacy” a **skin color** issue or a **cultural/social** one ? That is, will a hypothetical perfectly “assimilated”, protestant, well educated person of say, Pakistani extraction who has perfect accent and American manners, but quite dark skin, be feared as “diluting” the whites ? As against another hypothetical whiter than white French catholic person that sneers at American values, American food and American Sex with a heavy French accent. > > Sorry for barging. The issue isn’t about cultural assimilation, or whether someone adopts “American” or “White” values. This thread is about whether, in the name of anti-racism, the expectation that ALL white countries (and “anti-racists” focus primarily on white countries) to take in large numbers of non-whites and intermarry and assimilate with them is essentially analogous to expecting the white people or white race, if you will, to disappear. Let us consider some basic logic. If a race of people have large numbers of people of different races move into ALL the places where they live, and they intermarry, then that race will be assimilated out and replaced with a mixed race. Because this only happens in white areas, then this means white people disappear as a race, but the others remain. A type of Genocide, by enforcing the conditions by which it can occur. However, the real kicker is, that any white person who objects to this program of immigration and assimilation is a racist, a nazi, a bigot, etc. So essentially for white people to be ‘ideologically correct’ according to ‘anti-racists’, they must accept conditions which could very well lead to their race disappearing. Hence anti-racism really is anti-white. If course, it could be that there are means by which the white race can continue. After all, Asian nations, African nations are under no real pressure at all for Liberals and anti-racists to become mixed. But the issue is, these anti-whites don’t support any of these means. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/780 "2013-04-15T10:42:43Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > This thread is about whether, in the name of anti-racism, the expectation that ALL white countries (and “anti-racists” focus primarily on white countries) to take in large numbers of non-whites and intermarry and assimilate with them is essentially analogous to expecting the white people or white race, if you will, to disappear. The answer is no, and that isn’t happening anyway. Nor, again, have you defined “white” or what should be done about this imaginary danger of yours. And no matter how many times you robotically parrot these neo-Nazi lines, they won’t become true. Nor will they convince anyone. Nor does refusing to answer the questions people keep asking you help your argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=40)