# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/781 "2013-04-15T10:44:03Z")
> [@pool](#): > > To me this “genocide” works both ways with immigrants coming into “White Nations”. My Wife is hispanic, half Dominican and half Cuban. Although her family has some European in there they definitely have majority native blood, if you looked at her you wouldn’t call her white. My Wife has four sisters, all of which are with white men. My wife has a daughter from a previous marriage who has blonde hair and blue eyes, the son I have with my wife has blond hair and blue eyes he’s literally a Hitler wet dream, we also have a daughter on the way, I wonder how she will look but its prob an easy guess. Unless I told you, you would never guess that my son has any non white ancestors, nobody in my immediate family even has light hair we all have dark brown. So whose “genetic heritage” seems to be disappearing, doesn’t seem to be the white side? That is a decent point. Indeed, the people who move into white nations are assimilated too! But you must remember, that this is all happening in the white countries. Lets say a lot of Japanese move to Sweden and intermarry. This can happen for a long time, and yet, it involves may Japanese ‘assimilating’. But the population in Japan is still Japanese. The mixing is happening in Sweden. So in effect, Sweden becomes more and more like Japan, and Japan stays the same (minus a few emigrants). Or put it this way, if you put some milk into apple juice, you change the apple juice, but you still have the milk exactly as it was. So for your example, the Dominican and Cuban countries aren’t affected at all. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/782 "2013-04-15T10:47:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The answer is no, and that isn’t happening anyway. Nor, again, have you defined “white” or what should be done about this imaginary danger of yours. > > And no matter how many times you robotically parrot these neo-Nazi lines, they won’t become true. Nor will they convince anyone. Nor does refusing to answer the questions people keep asking you help your argument. I’ve already said that I consider European peoples to be white. The mantra discusses what is happening. If you are not anti-white, then put forward a position which doesn’t lead to white people being assimilated out, or assimilated in. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/783 "2013-04-15T10:48:35Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > But you must remember, that this is all happening in the white countries. No, it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![AssemblyLineHuman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@AssemblyLineHuman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AssemblyLineHuman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/784 "2013-04-15T10:52:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except for all the ones who just pointed out that they should. :rolleyes: No, the article merely says that Japan has an economic problem. It says nothing about the RACE problem. It merely concerns with economic requirement. Japan is not required to become multiracial, unlike white nations. And a solitary article in the NYT from a financial perspective, is hardly in any way equal, or even remotely close to comparable to the amount of propaganda and pushing for multiracialism and assimilation in white countries. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/785 "2013-04-15T10:52:30Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I’ve already said that I consider European peoples to be white. Yeah, _suuure_ you do. Does that include European Jews? > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > The mantra discusses what is happening. The “mantra” is racist garbage, a persecution fantasy. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > If you are not anti-white, then put forward a position which doesn’t lead to white people being assimilated out, or assimilated in. They aren’t. And you refuse to come out and say what you think needs to be done to solve your imaginary problem. No doubt because you realize that admitting you think Hitler had the right idea wouldn’t go over very well. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/786 "2013-04-15T10:53:48Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > No, the article merely says that Japan has an economic problem. It says nothing about the RACE problem. It merely concerns with economic requirement. > > Japan is not required to become multiracial, unlike white nations. NO ONE is “required” to become multiracial. And I was talking about all the people here who said so, not any article. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/787 "2013-04-15T10:54:48Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except for all the ones who just pointed out that they should. :rolleyes: They don’t count, because they contradict the Mantra. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/788 "2013-04-15T14:08:46Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Japan has an economic problem. No liberal says it has a RACE problem. No one is saying Japan has to become multiracial. No one is saying that Japan must become diverse. > > Again, I can find many examples of people pushing the need for racial diversity to solve the ‘problem’ of whiteness, but no one says that for non-white countries. Eh, if anyone says that whiteness is a “problem”, then they’re an idiot. You can always find a few fringe nuts on the internet somewhere. You, OTOH, are cherry picking and taking quotes out of context to “prove” your thesis, when in fact it’s nothing but a strawman. These folks, if they even exist, are about as influential and important to what is actually happening in the world as the Afro-Centric nuts who claim that whites are winter people (cold and uncaring) and blacks are summer people (warm and compassionate). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/789 "2013-04-15T14:34:03Z")
Furthermore… The problem Japan faces is exactly the same as the one Europe faces-- they have a shrinking population. The “white people” are breeding at below the replacement rate. Both Japan and Europe need immigrants if they want to maintain their position of importance in the world. A shrinking population means a shrinking economy and shrinking influence. It doesn’t matter if the immigrants are white, black, brown or green. But if Europe, on average, has a shrinking population, then Europe as a whole can’t solve their problem with European immigrants. If everyone in France moved to Germany, that might fix Germany’s problem, but it makes France’s worse and doesn’t change things in Europe, as a whole, at all. People generally don’t move from one prosperous country to another, so of course the immigrants are going to come from less prosperous parts of the world, be that Asia, Africa or Latin America. So, the problem you WNs should be focused on is fucking. Yes, spend more time breeding and less time ranting. Or, if you must rant, extol the virtues of large families. Good luck with that! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/790 "2013-04-15T15:06:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, the problem you WNs should be focused on is fucking. Aaaaah, Spring. That time of year when every young White Nationalist’s thoughts turn to finding a tall, valkyrie of a woman who will see to and through his heart with her ice-blue eyes framed by a mane of perfectly blonde hair… and then tell him that she’s already dating a nice Jewish boy but his tattoos sure are, well, interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/791 "2013-04-15T15:52:09Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > From their perspective the white race is the only true Human race, everyone else is a bunch of animals, essentially. Indeed, a favorite collective term for anyone non-white amongst them is ‘mud people’. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Japan can resist (which it does), and NOT get called racist for it. Your ignorance is blinding. During and prior to WW2 Japan was extremely and openly racist. Even today Korean workers in Japan are looked down upon. The occupation and brutally racist treatment visited upon China and Korea by Japan during the war is still largely unforgiven by China and Korea. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/792 "2013-04-15T16:00:09Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > The occupation and brutally racist treatment visited upon China and Korea by Japan during the war is still largely unforgiven by China and Korea. \But you see, they’re all Asian, so it’s not racism on their part.\ I wish it was sarcasm on **ALH** s part, but I rather doubt it. My guess is that it’s not “browning” 'cause all of them “look the same”. If anything, our racists could learn some lessons from East Asian racism. At least they’re more logically consistent and active about it. ETA: not that there’s anything actually logical about Japan’s racism - but it is a definite step above the inconsistent stuff we’re seeing here. And better, they put their money where their mouth is and suffer outright demographic and economic penalties for it. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/793 "2013-04-15T16:00:58Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I’ve already said that I consider European peoples to be white. The mantra discusses what is happening. > > If you are not anti-white, then put forward a position which doesn’t lead to white people being assimilated out, or assimilated in. What are the boundaries of Europe? Turkey was long called “the sick man of Europe”. Doesn’t that mean the Turks are white? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/794 "2013-04-15T16:18:32Z")
This point was raised earlier, but I think it deserves more emphasis: people in the U.S. and other countries have no influence on the immigration policies of any other country. Not Japan, not any country in Africa, and nowhere else. It’s sort of bizarre that on the one hand these supremacist/survivalist/pure-ist people insist they need to control immigration and marriage and other policies within their own countries, but anti-racists need to get involved in the affairs of other countries. These kinds of demands for pretend fairness are almost always offered to forestall debate when people know they can’t make an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/795 "2013-04-15T16:30:28Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Aaaaah, Spring. > That time of year when every young White Nationalist’s thoughts turn to finding a tall, valkyrie of a woman who will see to and through his heart with her ice-blue eyes framed by a mane of perfectly blonde hair… and then tell him that she’s already dating a nice Jewish boy but his tattoos sure are, well, interesting. Could this be a partial explanation for white nationalism? American media, after all, tells white American males that hot women are everywhere and will want to have sex with them if they behave in certain ways and buy certain products. When the hot women don’t materialize, it’s a short hop to assume that they are having sex with someone else, someone different, someone inferior, and the proper response is not to improve or change oneself, but to advocate for _laws_ to _make_ those hot women want to have sex with you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/796 "2013-04-15T16:37:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Could this be a partial explanation for white nationalism? No. These beliefs are born out of a sense of entitlement, but they’re way too old and too international to blame them on generalizations about “American media.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/797 "2013-04-15T16:51:08Z")
Well, yeah, entitlement to hot women, at least for the younger white nationalists who don’t remember any actual economic deprivation in their lives, or at least nothing to compare with the Great Depression or the routine poverty in non-postindustrial countries. Anyway, Assembly won’t answer if Jews of European descent count as white, so what about Mexicans of Spanish descent? White or not? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/798 "2013-04-15T16:57:40Z")
While I think it’s a proximate and not a direct factor, it should be noted that western media in general has had ‘the hero’ ‘get the girl’ as his reward for awesomeness since, well, fairy tales, at least. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/799 "2013-04-15T17:31:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, the problem you WNs should be focused on is fucking. Yes, spend more time breeding and less time ranting. Or, if you must rant, extol the virtues of large families. Good luck with that! [Don’t give 'em any ideas . . .](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quiverfull) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/800 "2013-04-15T17:32:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > NO ONE is “required” to become multiracial. No one **can** become multiracial, nor monoracial either. You’re born as you’re born. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=41)