# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/801 "2013-04-15T17:34:22Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > What are the boundaries of Europe? > > Turkey was long called “the sick man of Europe”. > > Doesn’t that mean the Turks are white? No, yellow. (See: jaundice.) ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/802 "2013-04-15T19:46:34Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Japan has an economic problem. Oh, cut the nonsense, will you? Or at least admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > No liberal says it has a RACE problem. No one is saying Japan has to become multiracial. No one is saying that Japan must become diverse. No one? Really? No one? Are you kidding me? I personally know people living in both the US and Japan who complain about Japan’s problems with race, xenophobia, discrimination, and diversity. Heck, even I admit it. For example, try to get an apartment in Japan as a non Japanese person without hoshonin (保証人), which is someone, preferably Japanese, who will vouch for you, and see how successful you are. Some are unable to rent apartments even with hoshonin. There are bars and nightclubs in Tokyo that are ‘Japanese Only’. How would anyone know about these issues if ‘_ **no one** says Japan has a race problem?_’ There are many other issues Japan is grappling with when it comes to foreigners, some of which are being addressed better than others. Really, it is a simple task to check out the hundreds of YouTube videos from people who talk about Japan’s problems with race and foreigners. Do I really need to link to the hundreds, if not thousands, of articles and blogs from people who are vocally dissatisfied with Japan’s policies toward foreigners? Others in this very thread have referred to discrimination suffered by Japan’s Korean community, which is also well known and widely discussed. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > But the population in Japan is still Japanese. The mixing is happening in Sweden. So in effect, Sweden becomes more and more like Japan, and Japan stays the same (minus a few emigrants). The mixing is happening inside Japan as well. Although citizenship is not an option in most cases, many Americans move to Japan every year, marry a Japanese native, and have biracial kids. Your points about Japan are not only wrong, they’re imbecilic, as a simple search proves that your “no one” turns out to be thousands of people. Now, you’re free to once again move the goalposts, and respond with something I haven’t even discussed but, before you do, understand that if a portion of a thesis is found to be flawed, which yours about Japan certainly is, the balance is suspect. You’ve made a lot of claims in this thread, have provided proof for none of it, yet somehow you expect others to take your contentions at face value, just because you’ve made them. If someone dares ask you a question, you call them anti-white which, I must tell you, is extremely offensive, not to mention completely false. You refuse to answer direct questions put to you, yet demand others respond to yours. You repeat yourself constantly as though you have no ability nor desire to engage in debate or conversation, which causes me to wonder what your actual purpose here is. Don’t worry, I’m not expecting an answer; you seem to be incapable of providing one. > [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Japan can resist (which it does), and NOT get called racist for it. Wrong. Completely, utterly wrong. But go ahead, continue in your quest to spread foolishness. Thankfully the members of this board are immune. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/803 "2013-04-15T20:18:56Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > This thread is about whether, in the name of anti-racism, the expectation that ALL white countries (and “anti-racists” focus primarily on white countries) to take in large numbers of non-whites and intermarry and assimilate with them is essentially analogous to expecting the white people or white race, if you will, to disappear. _IS_ there such an expectation? Or are you just paranoid? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/804 "2013-04-15T20:24:06Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > The issue isn’t about cultural assimilation, or whether someone adopts “American” or “White” values. Then, it is about **biological** assimilation, yes? Achieved by intermarriage/interbreeding between persons of different races/ethnicities/population-groups? You still have not explained quite exactly why you find **that** objectionable, or why your mixed-race grandchildren are any the less your grandchildren than are your pure-white grandchildren, or why there is any value to maintaining a racially “pure” population of any race in any society. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/805 "2013-04-15T20:34:40Z")
I’m of entirely \*African \*origin, although going back 70,000 years or so. Guess I’m not white, then. But the same is true for **ALH**. And everyone else mentioned in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/806 "2013-04-15T20:42:09Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’m of entirely \*African \*origin, although going back 70,000 years or so. Guess I’m not white, then. > > But the same is true for **ALH**. And everyone else mentioned in this thread. I suspect his kind would never agree that all people are of African origin, and certainly not whites, regardless of the preponderance of proof. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/807 "2013-04-15T20:43:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No one **can** become multiracial, nor monoracial either. You’re born as you’re born. Oh I don’t know, with the way transplant technology has been advancing I’m sure it’s possible. 😃 “I’m about a quarter black. Mostly on the lower left. See?” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/808 "2013-04-15T20:46:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Then, it is about **biological** assimilation, yes? I’m still trying to figure out how the guv’mint is forcing these marriages and children to occur without the consent of the people involved. Apparently making it legal for people to choose who they breed with is tantamount to forcing mixed race births at the point of a sword. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/809 "2013-04-15T22:05:58Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > Japan can resist (which it does), and NOT get called racist for it. Not that anyone is demanding Ja That would explain why the [United Nations has an actual report condemning Japanese racism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Comment_by_U.N._special_rapporteur_on_racism_and_xenophobia). More evidence that you really have no clue when you post. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/810 "2013-04-15T22:30:11Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > That would explain why the [United Nations has an actual report condemning Japanese racism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#Comment_by_U.N._special_rapporteur_on_racism_and_xenophobia). That must be a smokescreen by the treasonous international elites. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/811 "2013-04-16T03:14:37Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > “Because no one can define EXACTLY where ‘white’ begins and ends, calling for ALL and ONLY white countries to become multiracial isn’t anti-white!” > > Good grief, is that really your argument? You’re excusing a program of Genocide, because there are some people who may or may not fall into the category of white? Seriously, you aren’t even willing to tell which countries are, according to you, white. It’s not “defining exactly”. You don’t even define them _vaguely_. We still don’t know if Spain or Algeria, Mexico or Argentina are white according to you. And if they aren’t we don’t know why, either. The only reason why people are coming to “white” countries is because they’re wealthy countries, and it makes complete sense to emigrate from China to the UK rather than to Nigeria. Wait until those countries aren’t as attractive economically (and if you’re young enough, you’re going to see it) and migration patterns will change because people go where the money is. Not where there are white people to eliminate. And they were accepted (in fact actively encouraged during the 50s to 70s in France for instance) not because there was a cabal dedicated to eliminate the white race, but because workers were needed. Now that there are highest rate of unemployment, etc… people are resenting them, but there are still enough employers wanting cheap labour (rather than interested in a white genocide) for them to keep coming. As someone said “it’s the economy, stupid!” Not any dark plot to subjugate the “white race”. And for “miscegenation”, I would say “it’s sex, stupid!”. People just want to fuck, regardless of skin colour, not try to eliminate white genes. Money and sex are the two main driving forces in human life. Not need to search for some dark plot. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/812 "2013-04-16T03:32:28Z")
> [@AssemblyLineHuman](#): > > I’ve already said that I consider European peoples to be white. . European people, then. OK. Why aren’t middle-eastern people included, exactly? What about latinos? Assuming that a hypothethical Mexican has 50% European ancestry and 50% native ancestry, should he be allowed to enter the USA? Having half is ancestors belonging to the dominant “white” population and the other half the original inhabitants of a land that was taken from them, he should have an excellent claim . Do you think he should be denied entrance and why? Is it just about how pale one’s skin is, or is it about culture? Or do you think that there are other genetic components in European populations that we should thrive to preserve? If so, which ones? (If it were about culture, your position would make much more sense, but it’s quite obvious that it’s not what you’re talking about). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/813 "2013-04-16T13:50:04Z")
Let’s make this easier. [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_the_world) is a list of the 206 nations of the world. Please pick out, I don’t know, let’s say a dozen nations that - in YOUR opinion - are “white” nations. We’ll even agree to understand that if you don’t pick them, that doesn’t mean you think they aren’t white. Just make ONE simple declarative statement. “These nations are white nations:\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_” That’s all. Surely that’s not difficult, is it? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/814 "2013-04-16T14:18:33Z")
Asking him to define who is being subjected to genocide is beyond the pale. After all, we define those who are being subjected to genocide as being White, and those who are genociding them (like a motherfuck) as Not-White. Where’s the confusion? If there’s genocidin’ goin’ on, Whites are targeted by Non-Whites. That’s how we know that there are Whites involved. Likewise, he’s been quite clear that each and every single White Country, and only White Countries, are having this genocide forced on them. So obviously he is under no obligation to even identify these White Countries under discussion. Find a country where people want to remove racist immigration/legal policies? It must be a White Country. Therefore, Japan is White. QED. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/815 "2013-04-16T14:44:18Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Let’s make this easier. [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_the_world) is a list of the 206 nations of the world. Please pick out, I don’t know, let’s say a dozen nations that - in YOUR opinion - are “white” nations. We’ll even agree to understand that if you don’t pick them, that doesn’t mean you think they aren’t white. Just make ONE simple declarative statement. “These nations are white nations:\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_” That’s all. Surely that’s not difficult, is it? That’s no big deal, since he’s already said “Europe”. The real question is where he draws the lines for Europe, and how he decides if non-European countries (like the US) get to join the club. But what we really want to know is, if we agree with him that whites are being “genocided”, what does he recommend as a solution? Is it of the “final” type or some other? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/816 "2013-04-16T15:02:23Z")
If a ‘white’ breeding with a 'non-whit’e (whatever those terms actually mean) equals ‘genocide’ for the ‘whites’, why doesn’t it equally equal the same for the ‘non-whites’? I’d guess that, at this point, a small but statistically significant portion of the worlds population has ‘white’ ancestry at this point, considering the colonial predilections of our European brethren and sistren (mostly the brethren, the horny bastards). One has but to look at Central and South America to see this…assuming that the Spanish and Portuguese are considered ‘white’, of course. Asia, Africa…all have had large incursions of ‘white’ colonialists breeding with locals and perpetrating ‘genocide’…much, much more than what I assume ALH is talking about wrt immigrants entering Europe from North Africa and other, presumably ‘non-white’ countries. I mean, during the colonial period, ‘whites’ were able to pretty much rape and breed at will through much of the world, perpetrating ‘genocide’ at will, while much of the immigrant populations recently in Europe are more isolated from wholesale breeding and mixing, thus limiting their ‘genocide’ potential…unless what we are talking about here is that they are breeding faster than the ‘native’ ‘white’ population? As with the question of who is or isn’t ‘white’, I’m unclear on what this ‘genocide’ entails. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/817 "2013-04-16T16:31:12Z")
Perhaps he doesn’t want to define countries because he’s hoping that we’ll overlook a few, and the minute he gives us a list we’ll go “Crap - we forgot about Croatia! Quick! Assemble a crack squad of sexy mulattoes for infiltration and bunga-bunga parties and get them on the next plane to Zagreb!” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/818 "2013-04-16T17:00:05Z")
> [@XT](#): > > If a ‘white’ breeding with a 'non-whit’e (whatever those terms actually mean) equals ‘genocide’ for the ‘whites’, why doesn’t it equally equal the same for the ‘non-whites’? Hazarding a guess, **ALH** would answer: STATED ANSWER: Yes, it is! You see?! Race-mixing is good for **no** race! UNSTATED ANSWER: Yes, it **is,** equally, but it does not, you know, **matter** equally. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/819 "2013-04-17T01:36:34Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Let’s make this easier. [Here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_the_world) is a list of the 206 nations of the world. Please pick out, I don’t know, let’s say a dozen nations that - in YOUR opinion - are “white” nations. We’ll even agree to understand that if you don’t pick them, that doesn’t mean you think they aren’t white. Just make ONE simple declarative statement. “These nations are white nations:\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_” That’s all. Surely that’s not difficult, is it? Let’s start with Iceland. Whitest population on Earth, assuming [elves](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Elf_School) count as white. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/820 "2013-04-17T09:38:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Let’s start with Iceland. Whitest population on Earth, assuming [elves](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Elf_School) count as white. Am I the only one who thought that link was going to go to a picture of Bjork? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=42)