# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/81 "2013-04-10T15:28:30Z")
How much longer are you going to pretend you’re arguing against these people? > [@formulaone](#): > > NO, you have to see what kinds of points they are coming up with. I’ve seen it. It is not nearly as impressive as you (continually, weirdly) insist it is. > [@](#): > > They are many, and they are having great influence on the hearts and minds of white people who are definitely beginning to externalize their heartfelt belief that they have been victimized by their own elites. Not true at all. That’s what these people want you to think or what you want us to think, but it’s a view held by a small (but obsessive) group of people who are unlikely to gain a whole lot of additional adherents. It’s true that there’s a fair amount of xenophobia happening in Europe, unfortunately. > [@](#): > > This is a serious mindset that we anti-racists have contributed to No, “we” haven’t. > [@](#): > > simply because we are on the front lines screaming at white people whenever they want to assert their own racial self interests. Gee, even though you don’t believe any of this stuff, you somehow accepted their point of view about everything including “our” attitude, language, and blame. That’s odd. > [@](#): > > They are beginning to see us as a very serious enemy, even when we are also white. It’s a privilege to have jerks think of you as an enemy. > [@](#): > > For us to begin to regain the high moral ground …you think racists have the moral high ground over non-racists because the non-racists haven’t been nice enough? Sure. > [@](#): > > The biggest mistake that we can make is to fall into the mistaken belief that they are silly and will go away…to minimize them. They may not go away, but they’re silly. > [@](#): > > THEY ARE HAVING A PROFOUND EFFECT UPON THE PSYCHE OF WHITE PEOPLE AT THIS POINT AND WILL INTO THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. No, they aren’t. Again, it’s possible to get this impression from listening to these people and their frothing and spamming around the Internet, but they’re not a mass movement. They’re a small and angry minority. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/82 "2013-04-10T15:33:03Z")
Friend, you have to remove yourself from venues populated by utter morons. I know you’re obviously not a moron, but if you keep hanging out with them, others may get the wrong idea. As noted more than a few times in this thread, those morons are not grounded in reality and they are not going to change bar something extraordinary happening. And, if something extraordinary causes a change, it will likely be just one or two, at the most a handful of those morons, climbing out of their cesspit. > [@formulaone](#): > > Well, being that this is one of the most common anti-racist rhetorical questions to throw at white people, they have come up with a number of pretty formidable repliers: > > 1. “You anti-Whites have already defined the White race for us…You repeatedly say that it is defined as that specific group of people who must tolerate massive third world immigration, forced racial integration with these immigrants, and ultimately racial assimilation with them. And if White people do not accepts these conditions they are told that they are evilracistnazisinnerswhoaregoingtoburninhell; lose their jobs; are put in prison; and essentially lose their lives” That’s formidable? You jest. First off, there is no “massive third world immigration.” Remember, though, that even one non-White (as they, not the rest of us, define the term) is massive to them. > [@](#): > > 1. “Race is a social construct?? > Should ALL and ONLY Black countries be flooded with hundreds of millions of non-Blacks who are then force assimilated into the Black population because “Race is a social construct”??? Well, I guess yes, assuming that “foce assimilated into” means “immigrants will be protected by law from being discriminated against on the basis of their race, ethnicity, or national origin.” > [@](#): > > You anti-Whites ONLY ever argue for this to be done to EVERY White country and ONLY White countries. You are demanding and justifying the GENOCIDE of my people." I’m still unclear on what countries are White countries. > [@](#): > > 1. "The UN Genocide Law, SPECIFICALLY recognizes the existence of RACE as an ‘Identifiable Group’, to prevent what anti-Whites like you are doing right now. The UN doesn’t make laws. Their use of that term, as if you need any more, is proof that they’re a few cards short of a deck, a few bricks shy of a load, a few atoms short of a mole, etc. And, yes, race is an identifiable group when taken as the cultural construct it is. It’s just not so easy to identify a person’s race by looking at that person. > [@](#): > > Your attempt to dehumanize my people, the White race, by saying we are a social construct and we do not exist, will not work. The “White race” is not a social construct. It’s a bullshit term used by very lame bullshit artists. > [@](#): > > Dehumanization is one of the 8 steps of genocide. > No one is going to Africa or Asia and telling the people there, Blacks or Asians do not exist. Nor is anyone intelligent saying that there’s one Black race. There are African-Americans, Jamaicans of African origin, and a few other cultures and sub-cultures with _Black_ or _African_ as part of that (sub)culture’s identifying characteristic. Same goes with Asian. Nobody intelligent is saying there’s one Asian race. > [@](#): > > Anti-Whites are only doing this in all White countries and only White countries. I’m still unclear on what constitutes a White country. > [@](#): > > Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White." No, it’s not. And the expression, “Atni-racist is a code word for anti-White” is a red flag indicating the person bandying it around seriously is, in fact, a racist SOB. Heck, it’s a veritable _muleta_! > [@](#): > > My goodness they have many more, but I’ll stop here. The point is that these white dissident types are consistently point out the insoluble contradictions and hypocracies encased in our anti-racist talking points and it is getting increasingly difficult to argue with these people because they are getting more white adherents every day. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t argue with them, but we need to do so with updated points that decisively refute the underlying claims of their points, and we have not been able to do this thus far. > > Thanks Again, you can’t educate someone beyond their ability. These idiots you are attempting to engage with reason and facts are immune to both. They are simply morons and racist SOBs. You’d be better served educating their potential victims so that they don’t get new victims/recruits other than the poor sods born to said morons. I recommend you find a better place to hang out. Say, the SDMB, for example. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/83 "2013-04-10T15:36:08Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Is there any point in debating someone whose arguments are so weak they’ll only make them in the third person? Well, there are the LOLs to be had. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/84 "2013-04-10T15:46:48Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > As noted more than a few times in this thread, those morons are not grounded in reality . . . Or, put another way, they reject our reality and substitute their own. We’re not talking here about casual racists with a kneejerk social or esthetic distaste for nonwhites. We are talking about the much smaller minority of white people who regard their “race” as their primary identity-group, transcending all others, and who form their entire political, social, moral and even religious world-views around that premise. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/85 "2013-04-10T15:49:03Z")
I must applaude formulaone’s masterful feint, no wait I mustn’t. Formulaone, unless you’re suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome with regard to your racist friends or associates I’m going to disrespectfully suggest that you’re the racist and are too cowardly to just spout your racist nonsense and let it be shot down. Be an out-and-out internet racist, we’ll have marginally more respect for you than if you continue with this stealth racist hogwash persona. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/86 "2013-04-10T15:59:54Z")
**formulaone** , all of the supposedly “formidable” arguments you are listing from the racist side are mostly fact-free, mostly logic-free, or both. To most of us they are tired and weak arguments, and we’ve heard them all before for many decades. On the off chance you are actually worried about these arguments (rather than a “pro-white” poster in a poor disguise), they are all easily refutable. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/87 "2013-04-10T16:15:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, there are the LOLs to be had. But are they White LOLS? :dubious: If not they need to go back to their own country of Non-White-LOListan ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/88 "2013-04-10T16:22:50Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > As has already been noted, Pat Buchanan-esque advocacy for sealed borders or a white, Protestant America appeals to a tiny minority, and a shrinking one. Pat Buchanan is Catholic. The OP’s supposed stenography for his supposed racist white buddies–they’re from Canada, you wouldn’t know them–is extremely tiresome. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/89 "2013-04-10T16:27:02Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > …we anti-racists… Pull the other one. It has bells on it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/90 "2013-04-10T16:27:02Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Pat Buchanan is Catholic. Yeah, but a few of those Catholics are actually white. Most people don’t know that, but it’s true. I have a formidable argument that proves it! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/91 "2013-04-10T16:30:27Z")
Oh, good. Apparently we’ve stopped indulging the OP’s paper-thin facade of looking for arguments to use against these White Supremacist friends of his… ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/92 "2013-04-10T16:30:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I have a formidable argument that proves it! Too large to fit in the margins? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/93 "2013-04-10T16:34:02Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Pat Buchanan is Catholic. Whoops, I stand corrected, got my protectionist xenophobes confused. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/94 "2013-04-10T16:47:42Z")
I’m going to need my username changed to “mayonnaise” before participating in this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/95 "2013-04-10T16:49:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, but a few of those Catholics are actually white. Most people don’t know that, but it’s true. I have a formidable argument that proves it! Well, it’s the same as with Jews. Are Jews white? Technically, yes, but . . . ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/96 "2013-04-10T16:52:23Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s stupid, and then there’s brain-dead. > . . . > Blindingly obvious trollish and easily disproven “facts” aren’t “formidable”. They’re just dumb. And not even kind of entertaining dumb but dumb dumb.) You may be referring to the ideas ascribed to various groups, but you are not being sufficiently clear that these comments are not directed toward other posters. Be sure to avoid making comments that are intended to insult posters. = = = = = = = = ETA: EVERYONE needs to tone down the personal comments. I have no idea whether **formulaone** has been misled into believing that the ideas expressed are common “white” beliefs from living or working in a white, racist ghetto or if **formulaone** is trying to use irony or some other rhetorical device to make a point, but attacks on the ideas presented still need to avoid attacks on the person. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/97 "2013-04-10T16:56:07Z")
Freedom to migrate anywhere and procreate with whomever one chooses are human rights that should not be abridged at all. Borders and immigration are still far too restricted. No one should become a criminal for moving. And these restrictions grow as the difficulty of travel decreases. I can now, barring legalities, if I wanted, move into a house across the world within weeks. Compared with almost impossible a century ago. This is progress. These are good things. Like the internet being fought by ancient publishers, ease of migration is being fought by bureaucrats and racists. And just like the publishers, they will adapt or lose. Far from “genocide”, you are arguing against one of the great cultural advances in human history, one that should be encouraged by opening borders and eliminating bureaucracy. There is nothing special about your skin color. And no one is making you discard your “values” unless your values are bigotry and closed mindedness. Pass on your ideals and culture, and stop giving a shit what color your great great great grandkids will be. Because seriously, who cares? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/98 "2013-04-10T16:56:08Z")
> [@Dr.Crap](#): > > I’m going to need my username changed to “mayonnaise” before participating in this discussion. Sorry. Based on your current username, the only new name available to you would be Miracle Whip. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/99 "2013-04-10T17:56:18Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Also: the UN doesn’t pass laws. It passes conventions individual countries adopt (or not) and provides a simple framework to define terms. Worse yet, this goes beyond racist BS and into full anti-UN conspiracy nutbaggery about the (lack of) power the UN really has. Well, you know where he’s going with this: The Jews control the UN, and as everyone knows, [the Jew is using the black as muscle against you](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTT1qUswYL0). ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/100 "2013-04-10T18:13:29Z")
Formulaone, You seem to be defining these people as “non-whites”. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/CemOezdemir2010.JPG/782px-CemOezdemir2010.JPG](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/CemOezdemir2010.JPG/782px-CemOezdemir2010.JPG) [http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/german-turks-with-flag.jpg](http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/german-turks-with-flag.jpg) [http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24\_169\_large/article/image/lucila-m\_0.jpg](http://www.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24_169_large/article/image/lucila-m_0.jpg) [http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/mideast/idfgirl.jpg](http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/mideast/idfgirl.jpg) [http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit\_images/evitawtg.JPG](http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit_images/evitawtg.JPG) [http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit\_images/evitawtg.JPG](http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit_images/evitawtg.JPG) [http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Jon%20Seda-2.jpg](http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Jon%20Seda-2.jpg) Please explain why if you saw any those people on the street you’d immediately think they were “non-whites”. In fact, I recommend everyone take a look and then ask if they’d classify any of those people on the street as “white” or “non-white.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=6)