# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/121 "2013-04-10T22:25:58Z")
tomndebb, there’s something wrong with the second quote in your most recent post (#120)- I think the “Originally posted by…” is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/122 "2013-04-10T22:39:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > tomndebb, there’s something wrong with the second quote in your most recent post (#120)- I think the “Originally posted by…” is wrong. I fixed it. **tomndebb** must’ve been replying to a couple of threads at the same time and wound up with an extra quote tag from a post in the other thread. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/123 "2013-04-10T23:24:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And those white supremacists, of which I am not one, sure are handsome devils! They are much more handsome than we non-racists, are they not, my convinced friends? Well, David Duke ain’t bad-lookin’ . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/124 "2013-04-10T23:26:51Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Because it’s not Western Civilization - it’s Northern Civilization. 😕 From an Israeli’s perspective, the European heartland of it is Northern, I suppose – but **also** Western. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/125 "2013-04-10T23:28:16Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I guess that site only considers the US and Canada to be “North America”. No, it refers to North **ern** America. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/126 "2013-04-10T23:29:30Z")
formulaone: [FYI](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=687769) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/127 "2013-04-10T23:30:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 How is that possible? You appear to be using human speech. I’m actually using an “Eliza” conversation emulator. > [@Shodan](#): > > White rice, no doubt - YOU BIGOT!!! Rice-Krispies: slightly browned. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > OK, I’ll admit it. I want to see white people blended with other races. Mixed race chicks are hot!! Yeah! And they have the racially superior characteristics of hybrid vigor: improved immune response, fewer accumulated recessive genes, etc. But, really, you had me at hot! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/128 "2013-04-10T23:37:33Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > But all of this misses the point by light years because the African people in Africa and the Asian people in Asia don’t have to carry on these kinds of tortuous arguments to justify massive massive racially dissimilar immigration into their own continents…BECAUSE NO ONE IS DEMANDING THAT MASSIVE RACIALLY DISSIMILAR IMMIGRANTS BE BROUGHT INTO THOSE CONTINENTS TO MAKE NEW BLENDED HUMANITIES ON THOSE CONTINENTS…WE ANTI-RACISTS ARE ONLY DOING THIS IN REGARD TO THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT AND THE AMERICAS. IT IS ONLY THESE WHITE COUNTRIES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A NEW BLENDED HUMANITY SO THAT WE CAN BLEND OUT OF EXISTENCE WHAT IS GENERALLY TERMED THE WHITE RACE. No, no one is “demanding” that. Anti-racists simply want **prohibitions** on immigration ended or relaxed, and to let people go and settle where they will. (See **DrCube’s** post #97.) Resultant demographic changes in this country or that are incidental, not a goal. (Not that some liberal-minded whites who value “diversity” might not rejoice at it, and not that they shouldn’t; especially in the U.S., where, politically, that can only be good for the Democratic Party, for this reason and that.) But, no one is really particularly interested in drafting or incentivizing nonwhite immigrants who might otherwise not wish to leave their homelands. (Incentivized immigrants are to be found in some countries – but, usually, they are not really immigrants, they are “guest workers” and not on a naturalized-citizenship track and subject to deportation at the government’s pleasure.) As for why most immigration today is to “white” countries, that is a matter of “where they will,” i.e., it is because many of the “white” countries are more developed and industrialized and richer than other countries, therefor more attractive to people who think they might be happier elsewhere. Of course, if you want to, you can move to Africa and marry an African woman and have mixed-race babies – or perhaps not – depending on the immigration laws of whichever African country you choose. In any case, I’d advise you to steer clear of Zimbabwe. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/129 "2013-04-10T23:43:40Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > THEY BELIEVE THIS, and WE HAVE TO ADJUST TO THEIR EMERGING NEW RACIAL SELF AWARENESS. There is really nothing “new” or “emerging” about it; it’s all very old. There are some white-nationalist organizations with new names, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/130 "2013-04-10T23:46:41Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > You know, I don’t think that we will ever have to worry about races / ethnicities completely “blending” or disappearing. Sure, interracial or interethnic couplings will increase as more people of divergent backgrounds meet, but I think the vast majority of people will always tend to marry people of their own culture / race / group. > > What do you guys think? Am I right or wrong? Yeah, but the definitions of “culture / race / group” can change over time, can even change unnoticed; so I wouldn’t entirely rule out a future where none of the “races” of humanity as they existed say, when Jesus was born are to be found in “pure” form anywhere any more. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/131 "2013-04-10T23:54:44Z")
> [@formulaone](#): > > But all of this misses the point by light years because the African people in Africa and the Asian people in Asia don’t have to carry on these kinds of tortuous arguments to justify massive massive racially dissimilar immigration into their own continents…BECAUSE NO ONE IS DEMANDING THAT MASSIVE RACIALLY DISSIMILAR IMMIGRANTS BE BROUGHT INTO THOSE CONTINENTS TO MAKE NEW BLENDED HUMANITIES ON THOSE CONTINENTS…WE ANTI-RACISTS ARE ONLY DOING THIS IN REGARD TO THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT AND THE AMERICAS. IT IS ONLY THESE WHITE COUNTRIES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A NEW BLENDED HUMANITY SO THAT WE CAN BLEND OUT OF EXISTENCE WHAT IS GENERALLY TERMED THE WHITE RACE. The point I’m trying to make here people is that the arguments that we used to deploy against white people who tried to assert their own racial interests in the same way that Africans or Asians have been allowed to do are NO LONGER HAVING THE DESIRED EFFECT UPON THEIR THINKING SINCE THIS GODDAMNED MANTRA ENTERED THE SCENE A FEW YEARS AGO. When these white dissident types keep on reciting their saying: Anti-racist is just a codeword for anti-white…what they are really saying is that us anti-racists have at root an agenda that is injurious to white people and their countries and ONLY white people and their countries. In other words, they have come to understand that our whole anti-racist paradigm really specifically aims at altering white people and really only white people. Understand…THEY BELIEVE THIS, and WE HAVE TO ADJUST TO THEIR EMERGING NEW RACIAL SELF AWARENESS. > > Thanks Will you you please use paragraphs or space your words out some other way? That shit is so hard to read. I honestly gave up trying to read it. It hurt my eyes, and I am not prepared to have my little brain hurt, as well. If I wanted difficult nonsense, I’d go back to work. Peace (P.S. if you want certain parts of your post to draw attention, clever phrasing and the use of breathable spaces do much more good than ALL CAPS.) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/132 "2013-04-11T00:00:23Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Will you please stop talking past everyone in this thread and engage in a conversation? > > What is a white country? Define it. And as has been asked a number of times, which countries are white countries? > > Also note that interspersing phrases in all caps throughout your posts actually makes them more difficult to parse and understand, not easier. Surely English Only is one of the OP’s beliefs–or the beliefs of the inbreds he’s warning us about. Have you noticed how many of those folks have piss-poor command of their Beloved Native Tongue? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/133 "2013-04-11T00:03:45Z")
Formualone, Again you’ve been asked repeatedly and politely to explain what exactly makes a country “white” and which ones aren’t. You’ve also been asked to explain why you consider the below people to be non-whites. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...zdemir2010.JPG](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...zdemir2010.JPG) [http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-cont](http://www.turkeytribune.com/wp-cont)…-with-flag.jpg [![](https://www.france24.com/en/files/ima...lucila-m_0.jpg) ](https://www.france24.com/en/files/ima...lucila-m_0.jpg) [http://airbornecombatengineer.typepa](http://airbornecombatengineer.typepa)…st/idfgirl.jpg [http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit\_images/evitawtg.JPG](http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit_images/evitawtg.JPG) [http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit\_images/evitawtg.JPG](http://www.wtgfirm.com/images/edit_images/evitawtg.JPG) [http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Jon%20Seda-2.jpg](http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Jon%20Seda-2.jpg) Now, please do so. What is it about the people above which would cause you to label them “non-white” and what countries do you think are “white”? If you have some legitimate, intellectually consistent beliefs then it should be easy for you to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/134 "2013-04-11T00:07:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’m still unclear on what countries are White countries. Antarctica? Lots of white there. 😉 > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Yeah, but the definitions of “culture / race / group” can change over time, can even change unnoticed; so I wouldn’t entirely rule out a future where none of the “races” of humanity as they existed say, when Jesus was born are to be found in “pure” form anywhere any more. I’d very, very be surprised if that didn’t happen. Either we’ll engineer ourselves into something else and such old classifications won’t apply, or civilization falls and evolution does much the same but slower, or humanity dies out and there’s nobody to argue the matter. About the only way the present “races” could exist indefinitely would be a permanent, totally stagnant world-state with a race fixation that enforces them by genetic engineering. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/135 "2013-04-11T00:28:43Z")
There’s obviously a bit of a double standard. It’s legimate for some ethnic groups to act explicitly in their own interests, but not for others. There’s also an amusing double standard with Obama’s Administration suing Arizona and other states that take a hardline on illegal immigration. Yet, on the other hand he happily visits and meets Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Did he mention the treatment of [African refugees](http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/netanyahu-illegal-african-immigrants-a-threat-to-israel-s-jewish-character-1.302653)? > [@](#): > > Eritrean refugees imprisoned in Israel are being coerced into signing “voluntary” departure forms to return to Eritrea - where the UN says their lives would be in danger - or go to another country, according to the UN refugee agency here and the Hotline for Migrant Workers. > > \*\*Local UN officials say the Eritreans are denied their right to seek asylum. They are being told they can either go back home or stay locked up in Israel for at least three years. \*\* > [@](#): > > Israeli soldiers are refusing to allow entry to a group of about 20 Eritrean refugees trapped for six days between Egyptian land and a high steel fence that Israel has erected along its southern border. Despite high temperatures and lack of shade, the soldiers have been instructed to provide only limited quantities of water. > > **The Israeli interior minister, Eli Yishai, said Israel “must act with a heavy hand”. The country had “a very clear policy and a border fence”, he told Army Radio. “We cannot let them enter.”** > **[Eritrean refugees trapped by security fence at Israeli-Egyptian border](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/05/eritrean-refugees-at-israeli-egyptian-border)** > > Civil rights group condemns Israel's refusal to allow entry to group 'begging for their lives' Do these Jewish groups advocating for amnesty in the US have anything to say about the above? > [@](#): > > An array of Jewish groups urged President Obama and Congress to ease the path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. > > Nineteen national groups and dozens of local groups and clergy signed on to a letter sent last Friday that was timed for Passover. > > **"American Jews know too well the impact of restrictive immigration policies,** and we have seen how the immigration issue can become a flashpoint for xenophobia," said the letter, which was spearheaded by the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. > **[Jewish Telegraphic Agency - The Global Jewish News Source](https://www.jta.org/)** > > The Global Jewish News Source ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/136 "2013-04-11T00:33:09Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > formulaone: [FYI](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=687769) Like \*\*Smeghead \*\*said **Chen019** … ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/137 "2013-04-11T00:49:38Z")
Just curious, I wonder if I had children with my ex, who is from Spain and decidedly brown(Manchega). Would our children be “White”? Hell am I “White”? I have some Native American(Alabama Coushatta and Apache, maternal great-great Grandmothers). What is “White”? Who is “White”? I know I am essentially asking what **Ibn Warraq** and others are asking, but I have no real clear idea what “White” means. AIUI, Stormfront and kin exclude Jews, Slavs and Catholics, anything else? **Capt** ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/138 "2013-04-11T01:22:53Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > There’s obviously a bit of a double standard. It’s legimate for some ethnic groups to act explicitly in their own interests, but not for others. Ethnic groups do not act. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/139 "2013-04-11T01:25:30Z")
> [@Capt\_Kirk](#): > > Just curious, > > I wonder if I had children with my ex, who is from Spain and decidedly brown(Manchega). Would our children be “White”? Hell am I “White”? I have some Native American(Alabama Coushatta and Apache, maternal great-great Grandmothers). What is “White”? Who is “White”? Interestingly, Thomas Jefferson looked forward to a future when all American black slaves would be emancipated – and then deported, to prevent race-mixing with whites. (And Jefferson knew very well how tempting **that** could be.) But he also looked forward to the racial amalgamation of American whites with Indians. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/140 "2013-04-11T02:01:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That first assertion is questionable (I’d have to see a cite before I’d believe it), and the second one is simply wrong. Mexicans are not “culturally” European. They are Mexican, which has its own culture. Sure they are. Language, European. Religion, European. Class structure, European. Ruling class and the institutions it established, European. Semantic games don’t constitute a serious argument. Originally Posted by\*\* BrainGlutton\*\* > [@](#): > > Seriously, though, on other boards I’ve encountered a lot of denial and hostility whenever I assert the fairly obvious fact that Mexico, having a language, religion and culture derived from Europe, is just as much a part of “Western Civilization” as is the U.S. It should be obvious, but a lot of these folks brains short circuit when they think about Mexico and Mexicans. They seem to be applying the one drop rule. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=8)