# Is 'Anti-Racist' just a Codeword For Anti-White?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 9, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270 "2013-04-09T23:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/161 "2013-04-11T13:50:29Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Argumentum ad ridiculum is not valid argumentation. It is a straightforward admission that you cannot win the argument and so must resort to cheap sophistry in order to defend your preferred policy of White genocide. No, it’s mocking feeble arguments. You’ve offered nothing that this forum hasn’t seen dozens of times before. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/162 "2013-04-11T13:51:15Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Is this being coordinated and implemented by the Lizards? Do the Illuminati find melanin-deficient people to be less cooperative than the melanin-sufficient? Perhaps we’re not tasty enough. Sort of bland… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/163 "2013-04-11T13:53:02Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > I have clearly proven that there is an elite conspiracy to turn every white country on the face of the Earth brown. No, you haven’t. You’ve quoted a series of people with no connection to each other who are saying generally unrelated things about demographic change. Some of them admit they’re benefiting from it electorally, but that doesn’t mean they’re behind it. > [@](#): > > Now, when you say posters have not admitted that “its happening”, that is manifestly false. Posters have repeatedly stated that they agree Whites are disappearing, but think it doesn’t matter, like this: > > “groups come, they go.” This is another quote that doesn’t say what you’d like. Nobody in the thread has taken “white genocide” for granted, and **formulaone** dodged this repeatedly. And nobody in this thread said “groups come, groups go.” The quote is from the Pit thread, and taken in full, it says this: > [@formulaone, you are fooling no one](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/formulaone-you-are-fooling-no-one/655358/110): > > However, a subgroup vanishing just because the people involved willingly have children with other groups _isn’t_ genocide. It’s just something that happens; groups come, they go. So you couldn’t have possibly gotten this quote more wrong. **Der Trihs** didn’t agree that any genocide is happening or that white people are disappearing. He did say in general that groups come and go, which is kind of hard to argue. > [@](#): > > So you are being disingenuous when you say posters have not admitted that Whites have no future. He didn’t say anything about the future of white people either. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/164 "2013-04-11T13:53:42Z")
More on Conspiracy to Exterminate White People. Having proven that there is an elite conspiracy to exterminate White people, I will note that there is no need for any conspiracy in order to perpetrate a genocide. According to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, “intent” just means knowledge: Article 30: Mental element 1. ``` Unless otherwise provided, a person shall be criminally responsible and liable for punishment for a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court only if the material elements are committed with intent and knowledge. ``` 2. ``` For the purposes of this article, a person has intent where: (a) In relation to conduct, that person means to engage in the conduct; (b) In relation to a consequence, that person means to cause that consequence or is aware that it will occur in the ordinary course of events. ``` 3. ``` For the purposes of this article, "knowledge" means awareness that a circumstance exists or a consequence will occur in the ordinary course of events. "Know" and "knowingly" shall be construed accordingly. ``` So there is no requirement of a showing of purposive intent, or what is commonly called "conspiracy’ under international law. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/165 "2013-04-11T13:53:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So sorry that you’re losing, loser. > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > At least you admit that you are a tyrant who supports White genocide. This is the one and only time I’ll remind people here: you can’t insult other posters in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/166 "2013-04-11T13:54:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, it’s mocking feeble arguments. You’ve offered nothing that this forum hasn’t seen dozens of times before. That’s the point. Mocking is not arguing. It is deliberately avoiding an argument that you know you cannot win. If the arguments are “feeble”, then you should be able to refute them on the merits rather than hide in cheap sophistry. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/167 "2013-04-11T13:56:03Z")
Say you’re right **White Survivalist**. You’re not, but let’s play along and presume you are. What do you suppose to do about it? Forbid “non-white” immigration and bring back anti-miscegenation laws? Kick out the brown people? Or is the world just supposed to be more forgiving of racists now that you’ve convinced us you’re right? What’s the end goal here? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/168 "2013-04-11T13:56:30Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > More on Conspiracy to Exterminate White People. > > Having proven that there is an elite conspiracy to exterminate White people You’ve proven nothing, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/169 "2013-04-11T13:57:03Z")
Wow! Now, this quote right here is certainly an odd one : “The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.” “Make no mistake about it,” he says, “Make no mistake about it . . . we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed–not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.” … It seems to me that any person who is so obsessed with “bashing” a particular group of people – any ethnicity – has some mental health issues going on. It is much healthier to just learn how to get along with people, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/170 "2013-04-11T13:58:44Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Having read through this thread, it appears that White Genocide Deniers raise the following arguments: > > (1) There is no conspiracy to exterminate White people. Its just kind of happening, like the tides coming in or the change of seasons. No, sir, it is **not happening.** What is happening is more nonwhite immigrants and more interracial relationships than were considered acceptable in earlier generations; neither constitutes extermination. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/171 "2013-04-11T13:58:58Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > That’s the point. Mocking is not arguing. It is deliberately avoiding an argument that you know you cannot win. > > If the arguments are “feeble”, then you should be able to refute them on the merits rather than hide in cheap sophistry. Some arguments deserve to be mocked. Moon-landing hoaxers, 9/11 truthers, birthers, flat-earthers, white-genociders, Illuminati, lizard people, etc; all these arguments fall in the same category, and they’ve been debunked publicly over and over again, so mockery is appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/172 "2013-04-11T13:59:10Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Having proven that there is an elite conspiracy to exterminate White people, I will note that there is no need for any conspiracy in order to perpetrate a genocide. In other words, having failed to prove there’s a conspiracy, you’re now going to use Humpty Dumpty tactics to use a definition of conspiracy that nobody would recognize. I’m not scared for the future of white people, but this makes me worry about the future of the English language. > [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Mocking is not arguing. It is deliberately avoiding an argument that you know you cannot win. Again, assuming facts not in evidence. Mockery is just as often deployed against arguments that are simply boring of illogical, or which have been debunked thousands of times and keep coming back anyway because the arguers aren’t motivated by logic. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/173 "2013-04-11T13:59:37Z")
> [@](#): > > No, you haven’t. You’ve quoted a series of people with no connection to each other who are saying generally unrelated things about demographic change. Some of them admit they’re benefiting from it electorally, but that doesn’t mean they’re behind it. You must not have read the post. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/174 "2013-04-11T14:01:08Z")
By the way, while “white people” (however they are defined) may be, statistically, getting browner, “brown people” (and black/yellow/red/whatever) are also getting whiter. So there’s a nice, happy balance. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/175 "2013-04-11T14:01:40Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > You must not have read the post. I just summarized it. That does imply I read it. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/176 "2013-04-11T14:02:17Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Say you’re right **White Survivalist**. You’re not, but let’s play along and presume you are. > > What do you suppose to do about it? Forbid “non-white” immigration and bring back anti-miscegenation laws? Kick out the brown people? Or is the world just supposed to be more forgiving of racists now that you’ve convinced us you’re right? What’s the end goal here? Dr. Cube. Native Americans have reservations where they are allowed to live in peace and preserve their heritage. Anyone who demands that Native American reservations should be opened up to non-Indian residents on the grounds that non-Indians have a right to live anywhere they want is clearly showing that they do not value the existence of Native Americans and is therefore anti-Native American. Wouldn’t you agree? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/177 "2013-04-11T14:03:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I just summarized it. That does imply I read it. No you didn’t. You failed to engage with any of the evidence I provided, you merely dismissed it out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/178 "2013-04-11T14:03:37Z")
> [@White\_Survivalist](#): > > Dr. Cube. > > Native Americans have reservations where they are allowed to live in peace and preserve their heritage. > > Anyone who demands that Native American reservations should be opened up to non-Indian residents on the grounds that non-Indians have a right to live anywhere they want is clearly showing that they do not value the existence of Native Americans and is therefore anti-Native American. > > Wouldn’t you agree? Native American reservations are, for the most part, open to anyone who wants to live there. Your “facts” are wrong. Not everyone can be accepted as a member of the tribe, but few tribal lands prohibit non-tribe-members from living there. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/179 "2013-04-11T14:04:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > By the way, while “white people” (however they are defined) may be, statistically, getting browner, “brown people” (and black/yellow/red/whatever) are also getting whiter. So there’s a nice, happy balance. In 100 years, Nigeria will still be full of black people. China will still be full of yellow people. Central America will still be full of brown people. It is ONLY and ALL White countries that are being subjected to mass alien “immigration” and forced “integration” such that the native or founding White population will be assimilated out of existence. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Survivalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@White\_Survivalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Survivalist)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270/180 "2013-04-11T14:06:07Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Native American reservations are, for the most part, open to anyone who wants to live there. Your “facts” are wrong. No you are wrong. Residents must be enrolled members of the tribe, which is determined by ancestry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-racist-just-a-codeword-for-anti-white/655270.md?page=10)