# Is Anti-Semitism a serious problem in Norway? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 20, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733 "2011-07-20T17:08:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/121 "2011-07-23T08:34:25Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Er… all such studies generally contain “Don’t know/no response” if for no other reason than they can’t make people answer the question. > > That includes studies done by the ADL. > > Sorry, but unless the report says it excluded such an option it strikes me as absurd to to assume they didn’t. Yes, studies usually include such options, but they are also usually included in the summation of results of such studies. I find the absence of any data on the breakdown of % of respondents who answered in such a way or even the mention of it as being included in the response options to be very odd. > [@](#): > > Anyway anyone who thinks it’s “probably true” that French Jews are more loyal to Israel than to France is an anti-Semite. > > Maybe not a “kill all Jews” anti-Semite but an anti-Semite nonetheless. > > Still, I’ll agree that anti-Semitism in France isn’t nearly as bad as anti-Arab racism. Again, this is a fault in the methodology of the study. I simply don’t believe that the reported % of people who are reported as saying “probably true” is an accurate representation of respondent’s actual opinions. By allowing only two possible responses, both extremes and allowing no nuance of “possibility true/false” and no nuance on whether respondents think this is possibly or probably of some, all or none of Jews, any positive opinion, even “maybe some of them are” is turned into a response of the respondent thinking that it’s “probably true of all Jews” that they are more loyal to Israel than France, regardless of whether this is actually how the respondent feels. It is simply a poor methodology for gathering any meaningful data, and this poor methodology combined with any lack of any mention of ‘don’t know,’ ‘no opinion,’ or ‘other(specify)’ leads me to believe that they may not have been allowed as response options, or any such responses were discarded when tabulating the data. On preview: > [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s true that they’re not making anti-Semitic views particularly granular. But anybody who’d answer with “probably yes” has some degree of antisemitic feelings. I just don’t think that all of the responses of “probably yes” reflects a reality of respondents views. When only given a binary yes/no with no shades of opinion between the extremes, the tendency is to take any slightly affirmative response as yes, even “well I know this one guy who is.” Particularly with phone surveys, where the interviewer, who frequently is not making much above minimum wage wants to get a completed survey and the respondent just wants to get off of the phone. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/122 "2011-07-23T11:24:02Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Don’t suppose today’s bombing-and-shooting in Oslo has aught to do with antisemitism? No. Yesterday’s bombing-and-shooting had nothing to do with antisemitism. The likely perpetrator behind both crimes – a certain Anders Behring Breivik – left behind plenty of forum posts, all readily available, stretching back to 2009, wherein he explains his views. Plenty of rants about how “cultural Marxists” have infiltrated Norway’s intellectual milieu (journalist schools is referred to as “Marxist boot camps”), fervent hope for a “cultural euro-version of the Tea Party movement,” etc., etc. But antisemitism? No. As it happens, the only ethnic and/or religious group singled out in the killer’s writings happens to be the Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/123 "2011-07-23T11:27:55Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > (…) is an indication that God has placed a burden on the Jewish people to adhere to His commands so that, in the fullness of time, their example will lead the whole world to worship him in righteousness. God placed a burden? You’re not kidding, are you? For a second, I’ll play along and ignore the fact that a book written by a man invokes God for a specific reason, and I’ll ask, don’t you see how others would ask… why not other people, why not me? Why you? In general religious terms but also in plain philosophical terms, there is no workaround for such a grandiose statement someone makes about themselves and claims it was said by God. How do you think others should treat someone who just comes along and starts making a disingenuous claim like that - oh, it’s nothing, I just have this burden, nothing special, don’t worry about it… Really? You really expect others to ignore obvious impact this kind of claim has on a life on Earth? (Oh, and please, don’t make your argument one of those “back to study” again.) ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/124 "2011-07-23T11:30:30Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > As it happens, the only ethnic and/or religious group singled out in the killer’s writings happens to be the Muslims. Also, number of “experts” who wrote “expert” opinions singled out Muslims as perpetrators. So, at least “experts” and killer agreed on who to single out. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/125 "2011-07-23T11:55:38Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > I just don’t think that all of the responses of “probably yes” reflects a reality of respondents views. When only given a binary yes/no with no shades of opinion between the extremes, the tendency is to take any slightly affirmative response as yes, even “well I know this one guy who is.” Particularly with phone surveys, where the interviewer, who frequently is not making much above minimum wage wants to get a completed survey and the respondent just wants to get off of the phone. I agree in general that it’s a failure in methodology (if they didn’t include the option, I still want to see the actual questions) but I do not agree with your gloss. At least in English, folks who answer in the affirmative to “Blacks are more likely to engage in watermelon thievery if give the opportunity: probably true or probably not true?” are racists, even if we can quibble over the degree to which they’re racists. > [@newcomer](#): > > God placed a burden? You’re not kidding, are you? Don’t let the facts get in the way of willful ignorance. It may even be possible to work up to some real righteous indignation if you keep a full head of steam. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/126 "2011-07-23T12:33:00Z")
**Ibn Warraq** , I’m not going to join this debate, but if you’re interested in learning about Alan Dershowitz’s intellectual dishonesty with respect to Palestinian issues, you really should read Finkelstein’s _Beyond Chutzpah_. The documentation is exhaustive. Nobody who has systematically misrepresented Israel’s human rights record as Dershowitz has can be construed as an “advocate for the rights of Palestinians.” ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/127 "2011-07-23T12:53:21Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > **Ibn Warraq** , I’m not going to join this debate, but if you’re interested in learning about Alan Dershowitz’s intellectual dishonesty with respect to Palestinian issues, you really should read Finkelstein’s _Beyond Chutzpah_. The documentation is exhaustive. Nobody who has systematically misrepresented Israel’s human rights record as Dershowitz has can be construed as an “advocate for the rights of Palestinians.” Finkelstein is hardly a reliable source. He’s an avowed partisan who isn’t concerned about the truth. There’s a reason he was denied tenure at Depaul. This is the guy who claimed that Elie Wiesel and many if not most Holocaust survivors have lied about what happened to them in his book _The Holocaust Industry_. To prove this he claimed that Wiesel mentioning reading Kant as a teenager had to be a lie because Kant wasn’t translated into Yiddish. Now leaving aside the fact that massive amounts of works translated into Yiddish were lost during the Holocaust and it’s virtually impossible to tell what has and hasn’t been able to be translated into Yiddish, Alan Dershowitz produced Yiddish translations of Kant from Harvard which was incredibly humiliating for Finklestein since it made him a laughing-stock. As for Dershowitz, wouldn’t you agree that someone who’s been advocating the creation of a Palestinian state and argued since the 60s that Israel should never have occupied the West Bank should be considered an advocate for Palestinian rights? It is certainly possible to be both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/128 "2011-07-23T13:03:21Z")
> [@Steken](#): > > Plenty of rants about how “cultural Marxists” have infiltrated Norway’s intellectual milieu (journalist schools is referred to as “Marxist boot camps”), fervent hope for a “cultural euro-version of the Tea Party movement,” etc., etc. Huh, now we know what **RaleighRally** reads on the Internet (other than the Dope, of course). And now that I look at it, **RaleighRally** hasn’t posted since Thursday evening. :eek: (Okay, he’s Swedish, not Norwegian.) ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/129 "2011-07-23T14:07:18Z")
Finkelstein is asked [here](http://dir.salon.com/story/books/int/2000/08/30/finkelstein/index1.html) about the Wiesel/Kant kerfuffle. As it happens I don’t entirely buy his interpretations in that earlier book, but either way that’s not relevant to assertions of fact about Dershowitz. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > As for Dershowitz, wouldn’t you agree that someone who’s been advocating the creation of a Palestinian state and argued since the 60s that Israel should never have occupied the West Bank should be considered an advocate for Palestinian rights? Palestinian rights means more than a collective right to political self-determination in a Palestinian state–which IMO is in Israel’s interest anyway. With respect to the human rights of individual Palestinians, no, I do not think Dershowitz can be considered an advocate. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > It is certainly possible to be both pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel. I’ve said precisely this myself. I’m not aware that Finkelstein would have any problem with it either. But again, nobody’s political views are really material to the issue of whether Dershowitz is intellectually dishonest. In _Beyond Chutzpah_, in particular, Finkelstein provides abundant evidence. All I really want to do here is recommend that you, or anyone who might be interested in the question of whether avowed partisan Dershowitz is himself a reliable source and concerned with the truth, read it for yourself. Make your own interpretations, but look at the documentation offered. Did you know that Dershowitz tried to stop its publication? The characterization that he felt “any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic” in fact was offered by Lynne Withey, director of the University of California Press, in that context. ---
**Author:** ![RaleighRally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@RaleighRally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaleighRally)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/130 "2011-07-23T15:34:52Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > Huh, now we know what **RaleighRally** reads on the Internet (other than the Dope, of course). > > And now that I look at it, **RaleighRally** hasn’t posted since Thursday evening. :eek: (Okay, he’s Swedish, not Norwegian.) It wasn’t me. I have dropped some “pearls” about this issue in the Pit: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14055266&postcount=13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14055266&postcount=13) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14055403&postcount=28](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14055403&postcount=28) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14055364&postcount=22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14055364&postcount=22) Feel free to debate me in there and have your ignorance defeated as always.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/131 "2011-07-23T15:34:56Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > Huh, now we know what **RaleighRally** reads on the Internet (other than the Dope, of course). > > And now that I look at it, **RaleighRally** hasn’t posted since Thursday evening. :eek: (Okay, he’s Swedish, not Norwegian.) Could we please not do that? I mean accusing a Doper of a horrendous, abominable mass murder even if its a joke. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/132 "2011-07-23T15:52:35Z")
> [@RaleighRally](#): > > It wasn’t me… > Feel free to debate me in there and have your ignorance defeated as always.😉 I look forward to your advancing the argument the mass-murdering Norwegian terrorist is in fact as Oriental with dyed blond hair and blue contact lens as you have in the Pit. That would be of more interest than the hijack regarding France. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/133 "2011-07-23T16:29:17Z")
Dershowitz is vastly more reliable than Finkelstein. There’s a reason that Finklestein was denied tenure and is largely viewed as a crank. Sorry, but having seen how intellectually dishonest The Holocaust Industry was, I have no intention to trust some other book. If you actually think that Finklestein is reliable then I recommend that you read Peter Novick, but having seen how he manipulated and misrepresented the work of others which led to him being denied tenure, I have no reason to trust anything else he writes. Find a better source. Moreover if Lynn Whitney really did say that Dershowitz defined any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic then Lynn wasn’t familiar with the multiple occasions when Dershowitz has repeatedly criticized Israel in his books, articles, and speeches. Now if you want to persist in insisting that Alan Dershowitz defines himself as an anti-Semite then go ahead. Forming an opinion of Dershowitz based on the writings of an unreliable, discredited partisan Hezbollah supporter doesn’t strike me as being the most sensible thing in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/134 "2011-07-25T14:02:19Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > God placed a burden? You’re not kidding, are you? > > For a second, I’ll play along and ignore the fact that a book written by a man invokes God for a specific reason, and I’ll ask, don’t you see how others would ask… why not other people, why not me? Why you? > > In general religious terms but also in plain philosophical terms, there is no workaround for such a grandiose statement someone makes about themselves and claims it was said by God. How do you think others should treat someone who just comes along and starts making a disingenuous claim like that - oh, it’s nothing, I just have this burden, nothing special, don’t worry about it… > > Really? You really expect others to ignore obvious impact this kind of claim has on a life on Earth? > > (Oh, and please, don’t make your argument one of those “back to study” again.) Huh? Are you claiming that hatred towards someone who makes this claim is the correct response? :dubious: In any event, one can excuse some random person on the Internet’s not knowing what the “chosen people” claim means, out of simple ignorance. It is a lot harder to excuse a writer who specializes in the history of religion and philosophy not knowing it. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/135 "2011-07-25T14:40:10Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Now if you want to persist in insisting that Alan Dershowitz defines himself as an anti-Semite then go ahead. It’s very, very interesting that some anti-Israel folks seem to have latched onto that claim so strongly, especially given the actual evidence. I think I’ve seen one person ever actually allege that criticism of Israel was anti-Semitic, and that was a poster here who was banned and who may very well have been a troll. But the claim that you can’t criticize Israel without being called anti-Semitic gets trotted out in almost every debate, virtually exclusively preemptively. Reminds me of how Carter said that he’d written his book in order to spark debate, and then when Dershowitz challenged him to a debate, Carter claimed that Dershowitz knew nothing about the situation in Israel/Palestine and refused to debate with him on the same stage. In fact, in a show of true chutzpah, while refusing a request to debate, Carter went on TV and claimed that [“There is no debate in America about anything that would be critical of Israel,”.](http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/12/15/carter_book_wont_stir_brandeis_debate/) And then of course, there are some who’ll even defend actual anti-Semitism when it’s used as a club with which to flail around during a discussion over the I/P issue. Newcomer provided a nicely packaged object lesson on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/136 "2011-07-25T15:41:44Z")
I suppose there is a fine distinction between asserting that someone is “complicit with” or “willingly collaborates with” anti-Semites, and simply calling them an anti-Semite. > [@Alan Dershowitz](#): > > Recently Norman Finkelstein has been making the rounds of American college campuses–Stanford, Brandeis, Harvard, Bryn Mawr, Northwestern and more–having been invited by various departments, groups and individuals. Many of the people extending the invitations are unaware that by inviting this person on their behalf, they are becoming complicit with neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and anti-Semites. Some of the invitees were all too aware of what kind of person they were inviting. > > Finkelstein willingly collaborates with neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites. Finkelstein, of course, is as Jewish as Dershowitz is, and is further the son of Auschwitz and Majdanek survivors, so to accuse him thus is rather extraordinary. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/137 "2011-07-25T17:12:26Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > I suppose there is a fine distinction between asserting that someone is “complicit with” or “willingly collaborates with” anti-Semites, and simply calling them an anti-Semite. > > Finkelstein, of course, is as Jewish as Dershowitz is, and is further the son of Auschwitz and Majdanek survivors, so to accuse him thus is rather extraordinary. You seem to have shifted your claims from asserting that Dershowitz claims anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite(which would make him an anti-Semite as well:eek:) to stating that Dershowitz has denounced Finkelstein for collaborating with vicious anti-Semites. Aren’t you fully aware that for years Finkelstein been a writer for Counterpunch, a truther website which is filled with anti-Semitic articles often claiming that various Jewish conspiracies were responsible for 9/11? You’re also aware that Finkelstein has for a long time been a fan of Hezbollah and praised Hezbollah declaring “we are all Hezbollah now”. Hezbollah openly has called for the killing of all Jews and used to allow people to download the Protocols of the Elders of Zion off it’s website. Hezbollah was also behind the bombing of Jewish community centers in Argentina. Furthermore, Finkelstein has appeared on Holocaust Denial programs in Lebanon claiming that Holocaust survivors are liars and that the Swiss Banks that have agreed to pay back money withheld from Jews had never actually withheld that money in the first place. Finally, I assume you’re aware, since Dershowitz points it out in the same article that you’re quoting from, Finkelstein was originally going to appear at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s “Holocaust conference” but backed out at the last minute because the Iranians wouldn’t give him enough time. You seem to be complaining about Dershowitz for making factually accurate statements unless you want to insist that blowing up Jewish community centers isn’t anti-Semitic, that claiming that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy isn’t anti-Semitic, and that it’s wrong to classify people who claim the Holocaust is a hoax are Holocaust deniers. If not, how can you deny that Finkelstein has collaborated with vicious anti-Semites and Holocaust Deniers? I’m also a bit confused by your referencing Finkelstein being Jewish. So what, their have historically been plenty of Jews who collaborated with anti-Semites and held anti-Semitic views just as there have been blacks who held racist views and collaborated with racists. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/138 "2011-07-25T17:36:41Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Huh? Are you claiming that hatred towards someone who makes this claim is the correct response? :dubious: What one does with it is one’s issue to deal with. My issue is this claim that only “knowledgeable people” and “people deep into the study of the field” can have a proper understanding of this concept. And if mine or someone else’s understanding is slivery different they’ll call you on it with the simplest borderline offensive argument – derived from above quoted phrases – “you are not knowledgeable” and “you’re not deep into the study of this field”. My point is also there is no soft conceptual workaround for this kind of claim for a paradigm defined as such; i.e. any use of “chosen” will have negative connotation; it is exclusionary. Of course, if you are in the paradigm of “choosiness” you will find any other paradigm offensive because most likely it is exclusionary and goes counter to yours (e.g. “supersessionism”). ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/139 "2011-07-25T17:59:30Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > The article is very obviously anti-Semitic. To cite but a single instance, claiming that the Jewish concept of being “the chosen people” is “a crime against humanity” and “racism” is something that only a willfully ignorant Jew-hater could agree with, and it has everything to do with Judaism and nothing whatsoever to do with Israel as a nation. > > This is a perfect example of people being willfully blind to actual anti-Semitism, simply because _this particular_ Jew hater is also “acceptably” anti-Israeli. He’s criticising the Zionist nuts who run the country. He’s criticising their “God’s chosen people” mentality. That’s being anti-Zionist, not antisemitic. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733/140 "2011-07-25T18:00:33Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Do you actually bother to read the threads you’re commenting on or do you just ignore most of the posts? > > I provided a link in post 14 and we spent several posts discussing it. > > Anyway, don’t you agree that claiming that it’s anti-Semitic to claim that French Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the government of France? That’s the ADL, an organisation who are in the same boat as Dershowitz and all the other smear merchants. I can’t take any poll of their seriously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anti-semitism-a-serious-problem-in-norway/589733.md?page=8)