# Is anyone else concerned with this new virus in China that is becoming a bigger problem every day? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841 "2020-01-23T12:42:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/61 "2020-01-24T17:09:09Z")
Well, O’Hare is an international airport and the hub of the Midwest, and I work in a building crammed with over 1,000 people all touching the same things and breathing the same air so, yeah, I’m not thrilled by this new virus one bit. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/62 "2020-01-24T17:14:15Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Every time viruses get mentioned, someone has to bring up antibiotics, someone else then has to recite the “overuse/ineffective” speech yet again … I guess I don’t understand how that hasn’t sunk in more thoroughly. > > I mean, the majority of people are familiar with “Look both ways before you cross the street” and “Call 911 in emergencies.” I didn’t think this was more complicated, but O.P. isn’t the first person I’ve heard THIS WEEK talking about antibiotics as a magic cure-all that you can take - and critically, STOP taking - whenever you feel like it. > > Anyway, I also have to wonder what, if anything, “staying indoors for a week” would accomplish. Unless you have industrial-scale filters for your home HVAC intake (and you don’t … ) then being inside wouldn’t provide any additional protection. > > Air conditioning and Netflix, sure. But not protection from viruses. However people like my cousin often don’t die directly from the virus (flu in her case) they die from a secondary bacterial infection which is treated with antibiotics. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let’s not forget those Mad Cows. How can I? I still can’t give blood because of them. > [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Not only that, but the average person will have a difficult time stockpiling antibiotics, since virtually all of them are prescription only. Unless we’re talking about using Neosporin as a sandwich spread. There are places not far from the US where you can buy them over the counter. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/63 "2020-01-24T17:15:28Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Part of the issue is that nobody trusts the Chinese government, so the information we’re getting is not reliable, so that fuels fears. It’s probably too early to start worrying about a pandemic- there’s no evidence of that yet. Has any _reputable_ organization made that claim? Not fucking hearsay from “secret sources”? Since everything I have read about it suggests that the Chinese Government has been as forthcoming with the information they have. I mean it took several days for them to i)identify this as a virus that ii)could spread to humans. This takes time. Its not like they could get revelations on it from the Almighty. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/64 "2020-01-24T17:24:55Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > The world news sites are reporting there is a new virus in China that keeps on mutating and spreading every day. > > There seems to be considerable concern because some people are dying while many more are getting sick. > > The concerns is how fast this thing is spreading. > > How much do you know about this virus? Do you feel that you know enough so that you know there is not much need for concern? > > Or are you taking any steps to keep yourself healthy? I am not overly concerned. Several years ago, Canada was hit by West Nile and SARS. (Not only Canada, as the virus came from elsewhere.) I didn’t get sick either time. The statistics showed that I was extremely unlikely to get infected. My understanding was SARS was deadlier (but less contagious) than the flu, which is in turn deadlier (but less contagious) than the common cold. Diseases get less deadly over time because the disease isn’t interested in _killing_ the victim. I get flu shots every year now, but went years without getting them. I got the flu once or twice before I started getting the shots and, of course, didn’t die. I took no protection against SARS and West Nile and didn’t get sick. The coronavirus is basically a high-visibility but low risk form of death. I’m literally more likely to get run over crossing the street, and at most the newspaper would complain about traffic conditions for a day, unless there was a crime involved (hit and run, drunk driving, etc). I hope they come up with a vaccine, because some people (perhaps children or the elderly?) are more vulnerable to it than others. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/65 "2020-01-24T17:31:56Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Has any _reputable_ organization made that claim? Not fucking hearsay from “secret sources”? Since everything I have read about it suggests that the Chinese Government has been as forthcoming with the information they have. I mean it took several days for them to i)identify this as a virus that ii)could spread to humans. This takes time. Its not like they could get revelations on it from the Almighty. > :rolleyes: I saw a screenshot of an anonymous post on 8chan saying it was manufactured by the Chinese government to use against the Uyghurs but it got away. I read it on the internet so it must be true. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/66 "2020-01-24T17:43:44Z")
This is a serious concern, in case some may have thought it was not: [China is building at least one hospital just to treat victims of this new coronavirus & they have quarantined more than 36 million people](https://apnews.com/09be6cd295bc66a335e6686da6bbbffb). > [@](#): > > China expanded its lockdown against the deadly new virus to an unprecedented 36 million people and rushed to build a prefabricated, 1,000-bed hospital for victims Friday as the outbreak cast a pall over Lunar New Year, the country’s biggest and most festive holiday. > > The number of confirmed cases around the world climbed sharply to more than 850, with at least 25 deaths, all of them in China. > > The U.S. reported its second case, involving a Chicago woman in her 60s who was hospitalized after returning from China. She was reported to be doing well. > > ,Transportation was shut down in Wuhan, the city of 11 million at the epicenter of the outbreak, and in at least 12 other cities in central China’s Hubei province, encompassing a population bigger than that of New York, London, Paris and Moscow combined. [More info at this link](https://apnews.com/0f6f40498c107c61dc8405f6306c24bd): > [@](#): > > WHAT’S NEW TODAY > > — The number of confirmed cases rose to 830. Twenty-six people have died, including the first two deaths outside Hubei. > > — After Wuhan halted all outbound flights, trains, buses and ferries on Thursday, 12 other cities in the central province of Hubei followed suit, with a combined population of more than 36 million now under lockdown. > > — Wuhan is swiftly building a 1,000-bed hospital dedicated to the disease. The prefabricated structure, slated for completion Feb. 3, is modeled after the Xiaotangshan SARS hospital in Beijing. The SARS hospital was built from scratch in 2003 and featured individual isolation units that looked like rows of tiny cabins. > > —- The new virus claimed its youngest victim. A 36-year-old man in Hubei was admitted to the hospital earlier this month after suffering from fever for three days. He died following a sudden cardiac arrest on Jan. 23. > > — South Korea and Japan both detected their second cases, and Singapore two more for a total of three. > > — Hospitals in Wuhan are grappling with a flood of patients and a lack of supplies. At least eight hospitals in Wuhan issued public calls for donations of masks, goggles, gowns and other protective medical gear, according to notices online. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/67 "2020-01-24T17:48:27Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > How much is being offered? When I get my flu vaccine at Giant Eagle’s pharmacy, they scan my Advantage Card and put $5 on my account. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/68 "2020-01-24T17:53:33Z")
This article seems to suggest that it is likely about as communicable as SARS, but less lethal (about 9.5% for SARS vs about 3% for the new virus.) If it follows the SARS epidemiology pattern we would expect a little over 200 deaths before it gets under control. Definitely worth taking action to get it under control, but nothing to panic about. The caveats is that we have to rely on Chinese government figures so they may be underreporting the number of infections/deaths, on the other hand it appear that very swift action is being taken against it, so it could be significantly more or significantly less than my estimate. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/69 "2020-01-24T19:07:54Z")
> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > I am a little confused as to what the difference is between #2 and #3. Both are asking “What percentage of people who get the vaccinations contract the disease?” I am embarrassed because at the time I wrote this I was sure there was a real difference. But I must have either copied some text from another part of my post or I wasn’t too careful. In any case, I was certain there were three possibilities but at this time, I just can’t explain what the third possibility was. If I figure it out, I will post again. But I also may just go into hiding. In any case, thank you for pointing out that foolishness. I’m sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/70 "2020-01-24T19:55:37Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I am embarrassed because at the time I wrote this I was sure there was a real difference. But I must have either copied some text from another part of my post or I wasn’t too careful. In any case, I was certain there were three possibilities but at this time, I just can’t explain what the third possibility was. > > If I figure it out, I will post again. But I also may just go into hiding. > > In any case, thank you for pointing out that foolishness. I’m sorry about that. I don’t know whether, if you get vaccinated and still get the disease, you get a milder case or you get over it faster. If that is what you meant. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/71 "2020-01-24T20:30:30Z")
[2nd case in the US](https://apnews.com/c2f86baa4837023cbfe873ea23cefa30). ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/72 "2020-01-24T20:31:19Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I’m guessing that most people interested in these kinds of infections may have seen the film “Outbreak” (1995) [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt00000114069](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt00000114069) > > That film may be one of the best to deal with Ebola and similar outbreaks. It may exaggerate some of the events. But it is still worth seeing. The film is absolutely terrifying. So please be careful when watching it in front of children. For anyone who wants to know more about these kinds of outbreaks, please be sure you take the events with a grain of salt, but I believe it is worth watching this film to get some idea of what the worst case scenario might be. About as much as I believe that [Jaws](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073195/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) was a documentary on sharks. > [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I resisted the flu shot for many years because I worried that sometimes people get sick from an injection (notably from vaccinations). I had read that the way vaccinations work is that they actually give the subject a very small dose of the illness and are then able to give the subject immunity from that illness. Ultimately, my doctor had helped me with several serious matters and I decided to trust him. He advised me to get the flu shot and so I did. > > I’d still like to know just how vaccinations work and what the percentages are. I mean, for a serious diseases: > \ > 3) What percentage of people are actually worse off for having taken the vaccination? (meaning how many take the vaccine but still contract the disease)? It’s hard to prove a negative. Getting the flu shot cost me a few mins, $5, & an ‘owie’ in my arm. It’s hard to prove that my not getting the flu was because I had the shot vs. me getting lucky & not getting it anyway. If the latter, I wasted some time, some money, & some physical discomfort. Also, saying ‘flu’ is like saying ‘car’. If we’re at a hotel in the city & I state that our ride-share will be here in three minutes, you really don’t know what you’re looking for. Even if I say our Honda ride share will be here in three minutes, you don’t know if you’re looking for an Accord, a Civic, A CR-V, or a Pilot. There are different strains of the flu & the experts make up flu shots well in advance (because of production & distribution requirements) as to what will be the big variant(s) this year. Just because you had a shot for flu A1234 doesn’t mean you won’t contract variant B5678. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/73 "2020-01-24T20:45:33Z")
More happy thoughts on the Wuhan nCoV: _[Novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV: early estimation of epidemiological parameters and epidemic predictions](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.20018549v1)_ From some researchers at Lancaster University, University of Florida, and University of Glasgow. Pre-peer review, so take it with as many grains as you want, but here’s the meat of the abstract: > [@](#): > > We fitted a transmission model to reported case information up to 21 January to estimate key epidemiological measures, and to predict the possible course of the epidemic, as the potential impact of travel restrictions into and from Wuhan. We estimate the basic reproduction number of the infection (R\_0) to be 3.8 (95% confidence interval, 3.6-4.0), indicating that 72-75% of transmissions must be prevented by control measures for infections to stop increasing. We estimate that only 5.1% (95%CI, 4.8-5.5) of infections in Wuhan are identified, and by 21 January a total of 11,341 people (prediction interval, 9,217-14,245) had been infected in Wuhan since the start of the year. Should the epidemic continue unabated in Wuhan, we predict the epidemic in Wuhan will be substantially larger by 4 February (191,529 infections; prediction interval, 132,751-273,649), infection will be established in other Chinese cities, and importations to other countries will be more frequent. Our model suggests that travel restrictions from and to Wuhan city are unlikely to be effective in halting transmission across China; with a 99% effective reduction in travel, the size of the epidemic outside of Wuhan may only be reduced by 24.9% on 4 February. R0 of 3.8 is not happy-making. Nor is an estimated identified infection percentage in Wuhan of only 5.1%. AIUI, incubation time is about 3-6 days. So I guess we’ll find out very soon how good their numbers are. At least, I’ve not heard of any secondary infections of this bug, outside China. Thank God. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/74 "2020-01-24T22:07:40Z")
Per [WHO](https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200124-sitrep-4-2019-ncov.pdf), it appears there is a secondary case of infection outside of China, in Vietnam. No idea of any of the timeframes for that particular exposure. Seemed inevitable, given the rate of spread in China. I mean, they didn’t all go to that food market in Wuhan. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/75 "2020-01-24T23:15:19Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > WHAT’S NEW TODAY > > — The number of confirmed cases rose to 830. Twenty-six people have died, including the first two deaths outside Hubei. This is getting a little more concerning. Two days ago I ran the numbers I’d seen then and the mortality rate then was 2.68%. These new numbers have gone just past 3.13%. That’s still somewhat low, but a worrisome jump in 48 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/76 "2020-01-24T23:57:12Z")
Ate my original post. Joy. Question I had was: how is mortality rate calculated? Is it dead/infected? Is it dead/(dead+recovered)? Some other way? Also, one group I’ve not seen among the patients list are children. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/77 "2020-01-25T00:49:50Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > WHAT’S NEW TODAY > > > > — The number of confirmed cases rose to 830. Twenty-six people have died, including the first two deaths outside Hubei. Not the latest information: > [@](#): > > There are more than 1,000 confirmed cases of infection, and at least 41 people have died. A total of 8,420 people are reported to be under observation. > **[Coronavirus claims 15 more lives in China; first three cases reported in...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/01/24/4e678f9c-3e03-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html)** > > Extensive efforts are underway in China to stop travel and large gatherings during the Lunar New Year holiday. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/78 "2020-01-25T00:54:41Z")
I would expect both numbers of cases and deaths to jump in the initial days after a problem is identified simply because of increased monitoring - you’ll catch more cases that might be otherwise overlooked. It is worrisome but not cause for panic at this point, as far as I can see. Which opinion is from a non-professional and subject to change with more information. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/79 "2020-01-25T01:01:59Z")
one of the world’s largest vaccine factories is about 10 miles from my house. It was built partly with US federal money. It is designed to ramp up quickly to make new vaccines. Of course they have to develop the vaccine first. They use cells, not eggs. I think they can crank out 30 million does a month if needed. This is the factory: [Seqirus kicks off Holly Springs plant expansion](https://www.wral.com/seqirus-kicks-off-holly-springs-plant-expansion-/17999057/) ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841/80 "2020-01-25T01:19:44Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > one of the world’s largest vaccine factories is about 10 miles from my house. It was built partly with US federal money. It is designed to ramp up quickly to make new vaccines. Of course they have to develop the vaccine first. They use cells, not eggs. I think they can crank out 30 million does a month if needed. This is the factory: > > [Seqirus kicks off Holly Springs plant expansion](https://www.wral.com/seqirus-kicks-off-holly-springs-plant-expansion-/17999057/) Are there vaccines for coronavirii? I don’t recall that one was ever crafted for the coronavirus that caused SARS. As I see in this [2009 Medscape article](https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/706717_11) detailing the then state of the art in developing one. Or in this [Medline blurb in 2016](https://www.healthline.com/health/severe-acute-respiratory-syndrome-sars). Did the disease burn out and industry just said, “Fuck it.”? Are there difficulties in adapting a killed-virus vaccine model to coronaviruses? (coronavirii? I didn’t take Latin…) I do see that [Inovio just got a grant to make a DNA-based vaccine.](https://www.wsj.com/articles/drugmakers-rush-to-develop-vaccines-against-china-virus-11579813026) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-else-concerned-with-this-new-virus-in-china-that-is-becoming-a-bigger-problem-every-day/846841.md?page=5)