Is anyone else sick of anti-tobacco PSAs 'cause they think we're morons?

As I mentioned earlier, nicotine weight for weight is extremely addictive(more so than just about any other substance), and very toxic too, but smokers do not take as much of it as a heroin user does of their drug of chioice.

There are forms of synthetic opiates that are far more powerful than heroin, but there is not much use for them but they could also lay claim to being more addictive, if you define the strength of addiction as being related to the dosage taken.

Here’s a site that asks that very question, is nicotine as addictive as heroin, click on the link highlighted.

http://whyfiles.org/024nicotine/addiction.html

I see way too many smokers use this as a justification for continuation of their habit, its as if they are trying to be martyrs, the sheer pain from heroin withdrawal is of orders of magnitude greater than that of nicotine addiction, and yet, despite going through this withdrawal hell, the heroin user will go back time and again.

Yes the smoker will go back time and again, but the personal investment in trying to kick it is nothing like the commitment that heroin requires.

Withdrawal from heroin is way more severe than tobacco, I have come across people who have given up smoking with virtually no noticeable effects desoite smoking for many years, try that with a heroin user.

The compulsion to use heroin is so great that users will lose absolutely everything for a fix, they will murder, they will sell their bodies, they will starve if it means they can still spend their money on heroin, they will do anything, sell their children - literally to satisfy their craving.

Now compare that to the smoker, apart from the distant threat of ill health, the smoker is hardly likely to put themselve sin anything like the same dire circumstances, if a smoker doesn’t have their fix, they are not very likely to kill, or rob banks, the compulsion of heroin addiction is just so much worse.

Tobacco is insidious in its addictive nature, the risks to users are downgraded by the user, those risks are not as immediate, it seems on the face of it safer.
We all tend to rationalise risk, smokers do this and its much easier to do when the risk seems distant, but heroin users will often have several acquaintances who have died, the risk is much more immediate and apparent and yet they still keep up the habit.

I’d put it to anyone that if they smoked, and it was a regular occurance to watch a fellow user die in front of your eyes, someone in your peer group - not just an elderly aunt, they would soon quit because smoking would not have that strength of hold over them.

One cigarette will not kill you, but next fix can, its something that every heroin addict knows and yet they are still compelled to continue.

Yes, I believe that they have done just that, an the attempt to deny it is just another cruise down the denial river. He’s a drug addict, he’s not rational.

No- be addicted to a dangerous is not a “choice” that you are making. The addiction is making it for you. You don’t quit because you have made yourself believe otherwise. Next, you’ll be blaming those that want you to stop. Why no blame the drug and then try and quit?

I’ll bet I am older than you- and wiser; as I am not addicted to a dangerous drug!

Then choose to stop. But I bet you won’t- the addiction is now controling even your conscious mind, and you’re stating to be incoherant in your anger & denial. You’re no longer the boss of even your own mind- nicotine is.

You are correct, sir-and/or-ma’am. As the executive clones spilled out on the street, the camera pulled up and up and up until the teeming mass of executives became the ominous smudge of a lung tumor in a chest X-ray.

To accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being in denial does not make you right. It makes you appear foolish.

Your previous statement said that smokers chose to start. I agreed. Now you’re changing your statement? It’s kind of hard to argue with someone who keeps changing his previous statements.

[quoteI’ll bet I am older than you- and wiser; as I am not addicted to a dangerous drug![/quote]

Ah yes. When in doubt, go for the condecsending “I’m older than you so I must know better” route. By the way, I’m not addicted to any dangerous drugs. And your arguments are still illogical and childish. And sadly, you probably are older than me.

Um, I’m not a regular smoker, so I’m not sure what I’m denying.

Considering the crux of your argument seems to be “all smokers are evil, brainwashed pathetic humans in denial! I automatically win every argument with them no matter how illogical my position is because they are evil brainwashed pathetic humans in denial!” the fact that I’m not a regular smoker ought to throw you for a loop. Your argument will actually have to stand on it’s merits now, instead of who it’s directed at. That’s gotta hurt, man.

And incoherent? Care to read back through the thread? I’ve stayed steady and consistant throughout. You’re the one changing your arguments, putting words in people’s mouths and just not making much sense in general.

Sorry, dude, but anyone who uses the line “Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt” with a straight face has given up any legitimate claim to being “wise.”

Given how stupid this particular woman comes across, odds are that no, she doesn’t realize it. I don’t lecture her, anyway. In order to do that, I’d have to care about her well-being. I’d call 911 if she keeled over, but that’s about it.

Insanely militant anti-tobacco industry zealots vs. tobacco industry: #2,452,614 in the “friggin’ impossible to support either side” file.

Anyway, I see no redeeming qualities whatsoever in cigarettes, so I think it’s a good cause. I just wish they’d turn it down several notches and use a little damn common sense. There’s no need to put up a giant billboard of a cigarette embedded in a sno-cone (and thank you so much for that lovely image). As long as you educate in the schools and put up discreet reminders here and there…say, a poster in the library…you’re doing your part.

Personally, though, I find the anti-marijuana PSMs infinitely more insulting to my intelligence.

Here in Hawai`i, I think the “Stop Smoking Stupid” ads are done quite tasefully and target to the teen-pre-teen group who only smokes for stupid reasons anyway. They weigh heavily with things like: “Your life: Up in smoke.” “Poser: Dying to fit in.” and such, targeting the reasons teens start smoking and undermining the validity.

No anti-marijuana ads, so far…

A-freakin’-men.

I usually just roll my eyes at the smoking PSA’s. The marijuana PSA’s actually piss me off, though. Tobacco ad’s exaggerate. Marijuana ad’s outright lie (or at least exaggerate to the point where there’s hardly any truth left there).

B-b-but, little Jimmy gives money to terrorists when he buys that dime bag! HE DOES!

DrDeth, I just have to ask: What are you smoking, and did you bring enough for the whole class?

I love that commercial, it’s so creepy :wink:

I saw that “Poser: Dying to fit in.” poster when we were in Maui two weeks ago. That poster, I liked. It was focused on the group you described quite well.

Do they also have; Listening to loud music will make you deaf, wagging school (skipping?) will get you in BIG trouble, bearing your belly button will make you catch cold, wearing your pants so low your undies show will make adults tsk tsk at you, cool kids are cool cause they do naughty things if you copy them you will end up naughty ads?

No? Oh yeah because pointing out the obvious is stupid. :slight_smile: (besides teenagers are programmed to ignore that kind of shit)

Well, probably not in Hawaii, anyway…

That’s just what somebody who’s in denial would say!