# Is anyone planning to switch their support from Hillary to Donald over the emails? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 7, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285 "2016-07-07T03:49:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/41 "2016-07-07T21:08:10Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh what a load of crap. This is not remotely a “Big Lie”. Saying there was no explicit rule about having a private server is bullshit tap dancing. There are rules about keeping info safe and she flagrantly thought that her unmonitored basement server was good enough and/or there was nothing confidential on it anyways. > > You can say this won’t change your vote but pretending this is purely partisan bullshit is no way correct. It’s mostly partisan bullshit. Not purely, but mostly. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/42 "2016-07-07T21:12:37Z")
To a large degree how we got here was partisan bullshit. Criticism of Hillary’s email system holds together without any partisanship required. I know, because I’m not partisan. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/43 "2016-07-07T21:13:15Z")
I figure that given Julian Assange and Edward Snowden’s existence in this world, Hillary’s emails were probably just as safe wherever they were as they would have been anywhere else in the government. BFD, she could have been hacked. You know what else could have been hacked, the fucking NSA. And, just to be clear, Assange started releasing information back during the Bush administration - this isn’t a recent problem. This has all been baked into her numbers already. People who think she is dishonest and unethical already did, this confirms it for them. People who think she’s human, point to this as part of her being human. Very few people think she farts rainbows, those people probably think the FBI is lying. No one’s opinions of Hillary are going to change unless she actually is caught screwing Vince Foster’s dead body with Monica Lewinsky holding the flashlight. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/44 "2016-07-07T21:18:18Z")
What a coincidence. Her opponent could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone without losing supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/45 "2016-07-07T21:21:43Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > To a large degree how we got here was partisan bullshit. Criticism of Hillary’s email system holds together without any partisanship required. I know, because I’m not partisan. Though similar email systems were used by Bush and Rove and by Rice and by Powell. Not that “everyone does it” is an excuse, but it does beg the question “why is this a big deal this time.” ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/46 "2016-07-07T21:23:21Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What a coincidence. Her opponent could stand in the middle of 5th Ave and shoot someone without losing supporters. Is the person he is shooting black/Hispanic or Muslim? Yeah, he probably could. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/47 "2016-07-07T21:24:46Z")
I guess my take on this (as if the Internet actually needs one more take on this issue) is that Hillary bent some rules, partly out of exasperation with government red tape and partly in an effort to sidestep FOI laws. This is probably absolutely typical behavior from most high-ranking officials. But, as far as I can tell, there was no intent to compromise government security and no intent to profit from doing this. So, I agree – not great judgement, but not a disqualifying event. What irritates me most about this, however, is the number of suddenly strictly law-abiding citizens we suddenly have on the internet. People who routinely speed and lie about it (“Why no, officer, I have no idea how fast I was going.”), smoke weed, and torrent copyrighted works are suddenly the most interested people in the world in seeing justice done to rule breakers. Granted, the Sec. of State can do a lot more damage by playing fast and loose with the rules, but no one has successfully demonstrated that any was done here. As for the rules being different for high-ranking officials, I sure say it is. I don’t remember getting dragged in front of Congressional committees for things that happen in my workplace. And Congress is continuing this behavior today on the same politically motivated witch hunt. Um, did I stray from the OP? Not switching my vote. Maybe you guessed that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/48 "2016-07-07T21:34:03Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Though similar email systems were used by Bush and Rove and by Rice and by Powell. > > Not that “everyone does it” is an excuse, but it does beg the question “why is this a big deal this time.” Rice and Powell did not remotely have similar email systems. Read up a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/49 "2016-07-07T21:45:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Rice and Powell did not remotely have similar email systems. Read up a bit. This is a hijack. But I have. And I’ve done IT security and IT infrastructure for 30 years. And, more than 30 years ago, I worked in a security clearance job for a defense contractor. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/50 "2016-07-07T21:50:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Rice and Powell did not remotely have similar email systems. Read up a bit. Right, they were still using dial-up modems. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/51 "2016-07-07T21:58:47Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > This is a hijack. But I have. And I’ve done IT security and IT infrastructure for 30 years. And, more than 30 years ago, I worked in a security clearance job for a defense contractor. Oh, we have an expert on hand. Please tell me a quick example of the similarity between Condalizza’s and Hillary’s systems. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/52 "2016-07-07T23:31:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Her private server was not in conflict with any government guidelines at the time, so I not sure how you came to that conclusion. Holy shit. Does anybody actually read the reports about these things? You are wrong. The I.G. report clearly states that, beginning in 2005, day to day operations were to be conducted on government servers. So yes, Clinton’s setup was in conflict with government guidelines at the time. > [@](#): > > **The Department’s current policy, implemented in 2005, is that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System (AIS)**, which “has the proper level of security control to … ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information.”112 The FAM defines an AIS as an assembly of hardware, software, and firmware used to electronically input, process, store, and/or output data.113 Examples include: mainframes, servers, desktop workstations, and mobile devices (such as laptops, e-readers, smartphones, and tablets). and > [@](#): > > Secretary Clinton: By Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the Department’s guidance was considerably more detailed and more sophisticated. Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the Department revised the FAM and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not doing so. Secretary Clinton’s cybersecurity practices accordingly must be evaluated in light of these more comprehensive directives. > > Secretary Clinton used mobile devices to conduct official business using the personal email account on her private server extensively, as illustrated by the 55,000 pages of material making up the approximately 30,000 emails she provided to the Department in December 2014. \*\*Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the FAM stated that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized AIS,147 yet OIG found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server. \*\* From [here](https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf). You are absolutely wrong. At least try to understand what she did and what the policies were. That goes for you to, **Sherrerd**. Slee ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/53 "2016-07-07T23:42:03Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I will be voting for Clinton with relish. Perhaps with even more relish after this email bullshit; I can’t wait to see heads explode after she wins. I half suspect the right wing will molt into one giant pulsating pile of froth with Hillary Fucking Clinton in the White House. I can’t wait! [Once again, the Onion prophet’s are right on target.](http://www.theonion.com/video/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of--30284) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/54 "2016-07-07T23:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > …You are absolutely wrong. At least try to understand what she did and what the policies were. That goes for you to, Sherrerd… Only laws have the force of law. Guidelines, memoranda, Robert’s Rules of Order, recipes… do not carry the force of law, you cannot be indicted for not following a guideline. This point was made several times in the face of gasps of astonishment at the sudden disappearance of a cherished pony. 'Course, you’re not _absolutely_ wrong, just mostly wrong. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/55 "2016-07-08T00:10:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Only laws have the force of law. Guidelines, memoranda, Robert’s Rules of Order, recipes… do not carry the force of law, you cannot be indicted for not following a guideline. This point was made several times in the face of gasps of astonishment at the sudden disappearance of a cherished pony. > > 'Course, you’re not _absolutely_ wrong, just mostly wrong. Read what people write, not what you think they wrote. Fear Itself said there were no guidelines against what Clinton did. There were. The policy was clear and had Clinton asked about it, she would have been told that a personal server was against the policy. I did not post about law but about the policy. Slee ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/56 "2016-07-08T00:24:00Z")
Hillary could personally gun down an entire kindergarten, and I’d still vote for her over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/57 "2016-07-08T21:02:38Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Read what people write, not what you think they wrote. > Fear Itself said there were no guidelines against what Clinton did. There were. The policy was clear and had Clinton asked about it, she would have been told that a personal server was against the policy. > I did not post about law but about the policy. > Slee You must not have read the excerpts that you yourself posted: nowhere do those excerpts contain any language of any kind that states (or even implies) that use of a personal server is “against the policy.” The guidelines don’t say that use of a personal server is “against the policy” in those words or in any words that mean “against the policy.” It says that the > [@](#): > > normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized Automated Information System (AIS) and that the AIS should be used > [@](#): > > in most circumstances. You appear to be missing the actual meaning of those phrases: they do _not_ say that no other system may be used, as you claim. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/58 "2016-07-08T21:11:20Z")
> [@sweeteviljesus](#): > > Comey’s press conference goes a long way to the opposition’s painting of Secretary Clinton as someone who thinks the rules don’t apply to her, and demolishing her arguments that this is all just a partisan witch hunt like Benghazi. I have also never voted for a Democratic candidate for president in my life (for the record, I haven’t voted for the Republican since '88). However, out of the whole pack, I feel like she is still the best qualified to be president. I don’t feel like she will be especially great, but I am sure she isn’t going to wreck the country. Bernie is OK, but I don’t like his stance on trade, nor his willingness to demonize the rich. Granted, that’s not entirely without justification, but he and his ilk seem to feel the rich got that way by screwing the poor which is far too simplistic. Kasich was the best of the Republican pack in the sense that I could live with him in the White House. > > I will be voting for her mainly because of Trump, who frightens me to my core, and it would take a lot to dissuade me from voting against him. Anyone who has been actually following along and doesn’t have a complete partisan slant knew the email thing was real, and not another Republican hatchet job. I knew what it was about, understood the implications and it was a serious black mark, in my own book, against Clinton. But, no, it’s not enough for me to change my mind and vote for the Trumpster. I’ll hold my nose and vote for Clinton because, as stupid as she was on this issue she is still orders of magnitude better than the idiotic alternative. Which puts this all into perspective… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/59 "2016-07-08T21:13:41Z")
Even if I decided not to vote for Hillary, I sure as hell wouldn’t vote for someone like Trump. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/60 "2016-07-08T21:32:30Z")
She showed remarkably poor judgement regarding the e-mails. The reason for the private server was to shield those e-mails from FOIA requests or otherwise having them made public. Doing so raises the question of what’s in those e-mails that she doesn’t want made public? Beyond the secrecy, the technical set up of the private e-mail server was terrible. She didn’t even make a basic effort to secure the system. It’s almost certain that hackers were able to penetrate it and access her e-mail. Likely resulting in classified information being acquired by enemy states. In short, she created a security risk in order to thwart open record laws. That’s pretty bad as far as scandals go. Of course, she’s still not Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285.md?page=4)