# Is anyone planning to switch their support from Hillary to Donald over the emails? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 7, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285 "2016-07-07T03:49:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/61 "2016-07-08T23:01:37Z")
> [@treis](#): > > …The reason for the private server was to shield those e-mails from FOIA requests or otherwise having them made public… > > …In short, she created a security risk in order to thwart open record laws… Can you prove any of this? ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/62 "2016-07-08T23:41:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh what a load of crap. This is not remotely a “Big Lie”. Saying there was no explicit rule about having a private server is bullshit tap dancing. There are rules about keeping info safe and she flagrantly thought that her unmonitored basement server was good enough and/or there was nothing confidential on it anyways. > > You can say this won’t change your vote but pretending this is purely partisan bullshit is no way correct. I’m a Hillary supporter, and I agree that the investigation into her email server is not partisan bullshit. She legitimately did something wrong, and while I don’t think it’s bad enough to preclude her from office, it’s obviously not something that should be ignored. But the problem is that Hillary has been the target of _so much_ partisan bullshit that it’s awfully hard to tell, and the extent to which her failings have been attacked certainly _is_ partisan. So: FBI investigating whether Hillary committed a crime? Not partisan. Republican House calling the FBI director for an “emergency” hearing to berate him for determining that she didn’t? Partisan bullshit. And who knows how many more hearings we’ll have on the subject. And, of course, the reason it would not change my vote is that she’s running against Trump, who strikes me as frighteningly incompetent to serve as president in every way. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/63 "2016-07-08T23:50:38Z")
> [@treis](#): > > She showed remarkably poor judgement regarding the e-mails. The reason for the private server was to shield those e-mails from FOIA requests or otherwise having them made public. Doing so raises the question of what’s in those e-mails that she doesn’t want made public? > > Beyond the secrecy, the technical set up of the private e-mail server was terrible. She didn’t even make a basic effort to secure the system. It’s almost certain that hackers were able to penetrate it and access her e-mail. Likely resulting in classified information being acquired by enemy states. > > In short, she created a security risk in order to thwart open record laws. That’s pretty bad as far as scandals go. Of course, she’s still not Trump. [Stephen Fry] O dear, dear! [/SF] [: **QI Klaxon Blaring** :](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5mOT57ghM) 🙂 Wrong, FBI’s Comey shot down that one. Many sources on the right are telling many about the “lie” about the convenience referring to using more than one device, [but even that is iffy](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/07/hillary_s_email_scandal_was_overhyped.html), the main reason was not as you mention here, it was not to avoid FOIA, but the FBI did say that there is no evidence to deny that the server was setup as a convenience to continue using her old email account as she declared early. [http://www.sunjournal.com/news/nation/2016/07/07/house-committee-wants-fbi-investigate-hillary-rodham-clintons-testimony/1955637](http://www.sunjournal.com/news/nation/2016/07/07/house-committee-wants-fbi-investigate-hillary-rodham-clintons-testimony/1955637) > [@](#): > > FBI Director James Comey is backing up Hillary Clinton’s long-stated reason for setting up a private email server when she became President Barack Obama’s secretary of state. > > Comey tells a House committee that the FBI’s “best information” is that Clinton set up the private server “as a matter of convenience.” Those comments are in line with what Clinton has told the public. As for the hackers: [http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286851-comey-hacker-guccifer-never-gained-access-to-clinton-server](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286851-comey-hacker-guccifer-never-gained-access-to-clinton-server) > [@](#): > > The hacker “Guccifer,” whose real name is Marcel Lehel Lazar, hacked the email account of longtime Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal — and claimed he broke into the server Clinton used when she was secretary of State. > > But those claims were bogus, Comey told the House Oversight Committee during his testimony on the investigation into Clinton’s use of a personal email server. > > “He did not [gain access to Clinton’s server], he admitted that was a lie,” Comey said in response to questions from Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas). ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/64 "2016-07-09T01:42:06Z")
Yes, OP. I am going to vote for Donald Trump over the emails, and only over the emails. Certainly I never delete emails myself, and like most Americans I consider emails to be something to be archived carefully, not something disposable. Hillary’s lack of tech-savvy is disqualifying. Trump, on the other hand, appears to actually manage his own Twitter account, and that is why he will be the best President ever. My decision has nothing to with Hillary’s lifelong support of “free trade,” or her close ties to Goldman Sachs. Heck, you want to talk corruption, Trump’s in bed with the Mafia, right? No, it can only be the emails. This is truly the political issue of our times, and not a bizarrely overexposed bit of political nonsense. And if only the media would talk about it more, then the American people would turn on Hillary Clinton for her unforgivable sins against email archive integrity, and not put her in office. It’s far better to talk about this than any policy decisions, conflicts of interest, or personal favors that older generations might consider disqualifying. No! Don’t talk about those things! Email is everything! I’m sure the other young people will agree with me here. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/65 "2016-07-09T03:25:13Z")
I could see someone getting fed up enough to stay home or (much better) vote third party, but to start supporting Trump over this? If you’re not already a fan of the racist, sexist, xenophobic, tax-evading, con-man who’s in bed with the Mafia, I don’t see why Hillary doing something bad would make him appealing. I think the discussion in this thread bears that out; there are people arguing ‘what Hillary did was really bad’, but they’re not even attempting to line up ‘Hillary bad’ against ‘Trump bad’. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/66 "2016-07-09T04:23:13Z")
Clinton has done one disqualifying thing. Trump has done twenty. Clinton’s got a long way to go to catch up. For me, the only small way to get satisfaction is to see Clinton win with less than what her husband got in 1992. She’s currently at 40-41 in polls that have Johnson and/or Stein as choices, so fingers crossed. 39% would be particularly satisfying. And for those who say it doesn’t matter, I got three words for you: down ballot races. 40% don’t come with no coattails. In 1992, the Democrats lost 9 seats in the House and the Senate had no change. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/67 "2016-07-09T04:40:21Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > …Email is everything! > > I’m sure the other young people will agree with me here. Dude, we’re sparking some buds and playing video games, ask us again tomorrow. Afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/68 "2016-07-09T04:47:17Z")
Hillary Clinton could give birth to a winged demon during one of her speeches, and then declare it her VP candidate, and I would still vote for her over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/69 "2016-07-09T04:47:54Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/70 "2016-07-09T12:22:22Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > All bias removed the guy really is more of a crook than Nixon ever dreamed of, more of a warhawk than Reagan (for the record I actually do think Reagan was the President we needed for the time), as much of an isolationist as Buchanan and just falls short of the racism of a David Duke. [This is what scares me.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj9M34DzAKo) ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/71 "2016-07-10T16:22:09Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [Stephen Fry] O dear, dear! [/SF] > > [: **QI Klaxon Blaring** :](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5mOT57ghM) > > 🙂 > > Wrong, FBI’s Comey shot down that one. Many sources on the right are telling many about the “lie” about the convenience referring to using more than one device, [but even that is iffy](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/07/hillary_s_email_scandal_was_overhyped.html), the main reason was not as you mention here, it was not to avoid FOIA, but the FBI did say that there is no evidence to deny that the server was setup as a convenience to continue using her old email account as she declared early. I don’t find the explanation that Clinton failed to follow basic security protocols because they were inconvenient as comforting. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > As for the hackers: > > [http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286851-comey-hacker-guccifer-never-gained-access-to-clinton-server](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286851-comey-hacker-guccifer-never-gained-access-to-clinton-server) One hacker lying about hacking her server doesn’t mean that it wasn’t compromised. Clinton’s security was a joke. They wouldn’t have been able to know they were hacked, let alone stop a sophisticated a hacker. Plus, she accessed it via blackberry while in China and Russia. It is inconceivable that these countries didn’t penetrate her server. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/72 "2016-07-10T16:26:52Z")
> [@treis](#): > > I don’t find the explanation that Clinton failed to follow basic security protocols because they were inconvenient as comforting. Neither do I, but it is not a crime. And under some pressure Comey reported that there was even less of a reason to be so harsh on Clinton as he had done early. IMHO Comey made it harsher early to give something to the Republicans, but it only lead to what we are seeing now, to accusations to a fix made by Trump and many Republicans. > [@treis](#): > > One hacker lying about hacking her server doesn’t mean that it wasn’t compromised. Clinton’s security was a joke. They wouldn’t have been able to know they were hacked, let alone stop a sophisticated a hacker. Plus, she accessed it via blackberry while in China and Russia. It is inconceivable that these countries didn’t penetrate her server. Again, “possible” does not make a case. Using a bit of logic it is clear to me that the FBI should had seen already other hackers coming up with the goods if that was the case. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/73 "2016-07-10T16:39:59Z")
So, if Putin is sitting on a cache of Hillary emails, and he wants Trump in the WH, when is the best time to release these emails? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/74 "2016-07-10T17:08:49Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again, “possible” does not make a case. Using a bit of logic it is clear to me that the FBI should had seen already other hackers coming up with the goods if that was the case. That’s more wishful thinking than logic. Just because there aren’t private hackers bragging about getting in her server is not reason to believe the Chinese or Russians haven’t quietly been snooping all along. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/75 "2016-07-10T17:17:27Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, if Putin is sitting on a cache of Hillary emails, and he wants Trump in the WH, when is the best time to release these emails? I can’t imagine Putin wants Trump to win. Peace and stability helps all nations. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/76 "2016-07-10T17:20:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s more wishful thinking than logic. Just because there aren’t private hackers bragging about getting in her server is not reason to believe the Chinese or Russians haven’t quietly been snooping all along. That does not make a case still. The point is that it was a mistake anyhow, but not at the levels the Republicans are telling us that it should be a crime. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/77 "2016-07-10T17:30:38Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I can’t imagine Putin wants Trump to win. Peace and stability helps all nations. > **[Trump has an unlikely supporter... Putin](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-finds-unlikely-support-from-vladimir-putin-a7008601.html)** > > The US presidential hopeful and Russia's president have spoken highly of one another Why imagine a factual untruth when the knowable truth is out there? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/78 "2016-07-10T17:33:49Z")
Maybe I have not seen this addressed, after all there’s been a lot of discussion on this issue, but what personal email system would the detractors have preferred Hillary Clinton to use? AOL? Gmail? Hotmail? Or is the expected standard that she is to conduct her personal business on the State Department email system? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/79 "2016-07-10T17:42:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Donald Trump finds an unlikely supporter in Vladimir Putin | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-finds-unlikely-support-from-vladimir-putin-a7008601.html) > > Why imagine a factual untruth when the knowable truth is out there? > [@JohnT](#): > > Maybe I have not seen this addressed, after all there’s been a lot of discussion on this issue, but what personal email system would the detractors have preferred Hillary Clinton to use? AOL? Gmail? Hotmail? > > Or is the expected standard that she is to conduct her personal business on the State Department email system? Speaking of Putin and the State Department email: > **[State Department - Hackers still in the Email System](https://securityaffairs.com/33982/cyber-crime/us-state-department-hack.html)** > > Three months from the incursion in the network of the U.S. State Department’s e-mail system, US specialists are still working to secure the networks. > [@](#): > > February 23, 2015 > > Three months from the incursion in the network of the U.S. State Department e-mail system, US specialists are still working to secure the networks. > [@](#): > > ``` > “The intrusions coincide with rising tensions between the U.S. and Russia, and hackers linked to the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin have used the same “phishing” technique, in which the opening of deceptive e-mail attachments downloads malicious software, to attack other unclassified U.S. government e-mail systems. So far, investigators from the NSA and private contractors haven’t reached a firm conclusion about the intruders’ origins, said the two officials involved in the inquiry.” reported Bloomberg. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285/80 "2016-07-10T17:49:03Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Neither do I, but it is not a crime. And under some pressure Comey reported that there was even less of a reason to be so harsh on Clinton as he had done early. IMHO Comey made it harsher early to give something to the Republicans, but it only lead to what we are seeing now, to accusations to a fix made by Trump and many Republicans. Now you’re changing the argument. I said she showed remarkably poor judgement, not that she committed a crime. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Again, “possible” does not make a case. Using a bit of logic it is clear to me that the FBI should had seen already other hackers coming up with the goods if that was the case. On the contrary. The FBI described it as “extremely unlikely” that the hackers would have left evidence of their intrusion. > [@JohnT](#): > > Maybe I have not seen this addressed, after all there’s been a lot of discussion on this issue, but what personal email system would the detractors have preferred Hillary Clinton to use? AOL? Gmail? Hotmail? Any of these would have been preferable. Maintaining a private server with no full time security staff and running out of date protection software is laughably vulnerable. > [@JohnT](#): > > Or is the expected standard that she is to conduct her personal business on the State Department email system? Of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-planning-to-switch-their-support-from-hillary-to-donald-over-the-emails/759285.md?page=5)