# Is anyone seriously preparing for the end of America right now? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 14, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051 "2020-08-14T03:29:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/141 "2020-08-18T01:51:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But in addition to this, people would be surprised at how little space they need to live on. People might find it hard to imagine, but we don’t need a 3-bedroom home. We can do just fine in a flat or a smaller home. > > I’d gladly trade in extra space for easy inexpensive access to medical care and even halfway decent public transport. Granted, right now, people aren’t itching to use public transit, but that’ll change in time. mrAru and I are downsizing a fair amount - changing to electronic files for our media, ebooks, MP3s, MP4s. Realistically, we don’t need cable, we currently just use streaming on our TV - Amazon Prime, Netflix, Youtube and stuff from the hard drive shared via bluetooth. I already don’t ‘do’ girly wardrobe stuff, I have about 5 total sets of footgear [a pair of nice maryjanes, casual sneaker sort of shoes, flipflops and combat boots] a total of 9 pair of pants of varying styles, about double that in tops, and 6 sets of jammies with a suitable amount of socks and underwear. I can not imagine having like 30 pair of shoes! After the housefire, I effectively had a seabag/large MOLLE pack worth of clothes. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/142 "2020-08-18T01:57:00Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > After the housefire… That’s doing it the hard way. 😰 😟 ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/143 "2020-08-18T02:03:37Z")
Sort of wasn’t our idea, it was a bit of arson. The asshat has now caused at least one human death and at least one animal death [our cat Cat5 died of smoke inhalation =(] ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/144 "2020-08-18T02:20:00Z")
Oh, I am so sorry… 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/145 "2020-08-18T20:02:54Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > If you think the United States is about to undergo some dramatic change of character, you’re probably white. Interesting post. I am reacting very strongly to it, which I find amusing and curious. Regrettably, I’ve begun to care very little about my fellow humans, no matter their superficial similarities or differences. Just as not all men are sexual predators, but enough are; and not all white people are racists, but enough are; and not all conservatives are fascists, but enough are…so it goes with humans being selfish, backstabbing trash. End of America? After the last couple months I couldn’t care less if the Yellowstone Caldera finally made its delivery and wiped out our heartland, and if the polar caps melt away and drown the rest of you. To hell with countries, to hell with humans. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/146 "2020-08-18T22:32:44Z")
Can we just throw all the congressional Republicans into a caldera? That might be enough to appease the dark gods. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/147 "2020-08-18T22:43:15Z")
Popcorn: Popped. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/148 "2020-08-18T23:05:05Z")
Don’t you realize that’s GMO corn grown on Chinese-owned farms marketed by Russian bots?! Are you just going to sit there and microwave the greatest country on earth into yellow surrender kernels? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/149 "2020-08-18T23:17:26Z")
Actually, most of the US popcorn crop is in Indiana. Although we were affected by the derecho it was nearly as much as Iowa was and, in any case, I think we’ll survive a bad year for popcorn. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/150 "2020-08-18T23:21:12Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I think we’ll survive a bad year for popcorn. After all there is all that popcorn that isn’t being popped at movie theaters to redirect. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/151 "2020-08-18T23:38:44Z")
Won’t be long before Indiana is just another Chinese factory, anyhow… ['American Soil' Is Increasingly Foreign Owned : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2019/05/27/723501793/american-soil-is-increasingly-foreign-owned) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/152 "2020-08-18T23:43:22Z")
The USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world, arguably other than North Korea and China. The USA’s incarceration rate is highly racialized. In short, it is already a failed state for millions of Americans. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/153 "2020-08-18T23:46:29Z")
That’s doubtful, since those nations numbers are undoubtedly wrong. But how about this- The USA has the highest incarceration rate in the free world. That is clear- and disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/154 "2020-08-18T23:58:12Z")
Canada is seriously preparing for the end of the USA by expanding international non-USA trade. For example: > **[Canada is a trading nation: International Trade Minister to address the...](https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2017/09/canada_is_a_tradingnationinternationaltradeministertoaddressthec.html)** > > The Government of Canada is committed to creating jobs, growing the economy and strengthening the middle class. The Canadian economy depends on international trade, and Canada is actively engaging in new and rapidly growing markets that offer great... > - On September 21, 2017, the date of CETA’s provisional application, 98% of Canadian and EU tariff lines will immediately become duty-free, creating new opportunities on both sides of the Atlantic. > > - In June 2017, Canada was officially invited to start negotiations on the process to become an associate member of the Pacific Alliance, a regional integration initiative founded in 2011 by Chile, Colombia, Mexico and Peru. > > - In September 2017, the 10 economies that comprise the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) agreed to launch exploratory discussions to determine the potential for a Canada-ASEAN free trade agreement. > > - Canada is engaged in exploratory discussions with China for a possible free trade agreement and has consulted Canadians for their views on this initiative. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/155 "2020-08-19T00:04:17Z")
The most recent trade war started by the USA against “security threat” Canada illustrates the instability of the USA as a trading partner as it degenerates into a failed state. > Canada to impose $3.6B in tariffs in response to Trump’s move against Canadian aluminum. [Canada to impose $3.6B in tariffs in response to Trump's move against Canadian aluminum | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-aluminum-imports-tariffs-trump-1.5677757) ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/156 "2020-08-19T00:36:31Z")
Well if there any out there prepping for the end of America they better not be considering New Zealand as their destination for a flight to sanctuary. > “Do you see what’s happening in New Zealand? They beat it, they beat it, it was like front-page news because they wanted to show me something,” the US president said at a campaign rally in Mankato, Minnesota. > “Big surge in New Zealand, you know it’s terrible, we don’t want that …" The whole country is apparently a fetid cesspit of infections … as many as 13 cases in a day. And they are enacting significant gun control after just a single massacre. And they don’t want NFL to play their season there. Positively unAmerican. The lot of 'em. > **[Trump calls out New Zealand’s 'terrible' Covid surge, on day it records nine...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/18/trump-calls-out-new-zealands-big-surge-on-day-it-records-nine-covid-cases)** > > US president’s discordant comments fail to reflect that 22 people have died from coronavirus in New Zealand, versus 170,000 in US ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/157 "2020-08-19T00:56:01Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > The whole country [New Zealand] is apparently a fetid cesspit of infections … as many as 13 cases in a day. And they’re doing it just to make Donald look bad! ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/162 "2020-08-19T15:24:12Z")
Search in Spanish. I did a casual search a few months ago, and found rentals in the Yucatan for a few hundred dollars a month. I am sure there are others for less that aren’t advertised online. Also, you would seriously consider El Salvador even with their current crime rate? I wouldn’t - I have a general rule that I don’t want to live in a country that people are fleeing in droves to apply for asylum elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/163 "2020-08-19T17:52:26Z")
I only mentioned El Salvador obliquely because I’d read an article on Buzzfeed (I think?) about an American expat who was living there and loved every second of it. It’s not seriously on my list. Mexico and Costa Rica occupy the two top spots, in no particular order. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051/164 "2020-08-19T19:35:49Z")
My deteriorating health has made any plans I might have once had for TEOTWAWKI moot. My new plan is shelter in place until I starve/freeze to death or get shot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-seriously-preparing-for-the-end-of-america-right-now/918051.md?page=9)