# Is anyone substribed to Helvetica Chimica Acta. or can the get a reference from 1980? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 6, 2002, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484 "2002-11-06T02:26:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/1 "2002-11-06T02:26:47Z")
Hi! I’m doing a literature search on an organic sythesis, and I found a reference that I’d like to see, but I can’t seem to find the actual journal article. The journal was written in German, and was published in 1980 - I found a short abstract on SciFinder, but I can’t find an online article, and my library only has issues from 1998 This is the complete reference: **A simple synthesis of allenecarboxylates by the Wittig reaction**. Lang, Robert W.; Hansen, Hans Juergen. Inst. Org. Chem., Univ. Perolles, Fribours, Switz. Helv. Chim. Acta (1980), 63(2), 438-55 If there is some way the article could be forwarded to me, that would be great. Or, better yet, if someone finds it for me, with a bit of email correspondence, I can hopefully get the information I want regarding product yields without having to learn German 🙂 I’d like this in the next few days (by the end of the weekend), so any help would be really appreciated! Note to Mods: I put this in GQ due to the high volume of readers, and the type of subject matter…feel free to move if you feel this forum is inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Melandry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Melandry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melandry)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/2 "2002-11-06T03:05:54Z")
I have online access through my school but it looks like that only goes back to 1998. The paper volumes are in storage here- so it seems I can’t be of any help. Sorry. I tried, though. ---
**Author:** ![OrganicMatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/898d66/32.png) [@OrganicMatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OrganicMatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/3 "2002-11-06T05:12:21Z")
Can your library order a copy of the article for you? Alternatively, I have ordered copies of such things from ISI in the past. Fairly expensive though. [http://www.isinet.com/isi/](http://www.isinet.com/isi/) ---
**Author:** ![Floater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dc4da7/32.png) [@Floater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floater)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/4 "2002-11-06T08:21:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OrganicMatter \* > Can your library order a copy of the article for you? In my experience that’s what libraries are for. ---
**Author:** ![Lsura](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/5 "2002-11-06T10:53:39Z")
My university library has hard copies from 1918 forward - electronic access is available only for 1998-2002. Does your library have interlibrary loan? Try that first, as they may be able to get it a lot quicker - anything that came from me would have to go snail mail and that’s going to take some time. ---
**Author:** ![Lsura](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/6 "2002-11-06T12:01:23Z")
I forgot, if you just need information from the article, e-mail me at lcarscad @ utk.edu. Today is going to be incredibly busy - I really won’t have a chance to find the article or do anything with it until later in the afternoon or tomorrow at the earliest. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2002, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-anyone-substribed-to-helvetica-chimica-acta-or-can-the-get-a-reference-from-1980/135484/7 "2002-11-06T15:35:03Z")
I only need a couple of yield numbers, and perhaps a synthesis outline - its usually just a paragraph or so in the Methods section. I never even thought of the inter-library loan…I tend to rely on the online library catalogue (which is really good) and forget that the building actually exists! I suppose I could try that, but I think it’s something of a long delay before I can get it. I’ll talk to the library if I have time today, but I might email you., **Lsura** as well. My understanding is that the article is written in German, but hopefully it’ll be easy enough to find. I have a professor who might be able to give me the proper german name for the compound I’m interested in, which might make the search a little easier once the article is obtained. As I said, it’s not a total rush- just by this weekend. I’ll see what I can do today, and then email you based on what happens! Thanks a lot!