Is anyone undecided?

If you are trying to go in a certain direction, you can step forward, you can step backwards, or you can stand aside.

“You’d rather see everyone on the planet die if your country doesn’t elect your preferred head of government?”

Sorry, I haven’t figured out how to quote people with this new software, so I just did a copy/paste.

And no, it’s not about my preferred head of government so much as my growing disgust with the state of the world. Humans are vile, mean, nasty, loathsome creatures in general, and the ones currently in office in DC and in my state are the worst of the worst. People say we get the government we deserve. Well, that may be true. But if we really deserve this mongolian clusterfuck of a government, and the two best candidates we can find for POTUS are Donald “Pussy Grabber” Trump and Joe “What planet am I…wait…Squirrel!” Biden, then the time has probably come to just fucking end this. Big space rock, angry elder god…whatever the fuck. Shake the cosmic etch-a-sketch and let the universe try again.

If such a person was ever on the ballot that’s what I’d do.

If losing faith in humanity makes you want to die, is it really necessary to take everyone else with you? That seems, I dunno, kind of dramatic.

Bah. At least I might get to meet an elder god. That would be pretty cool.

The answer is yes, ‘cause pageantry is part of the show.
And if only to prove Biden can stand on his feet that long.
Or even, given his current absentia media profile, that he does exist.
And were Trump to prowl and stalk Biden on the stage in the manner he did Clinton you’d Have seen before what somebody with that mindset would do when given the keys to the executive washroom.

I think you misunderstood the question. “What about the novel idea of just voting for the person you think is best qualified to serve as President?” doesn’t imply that one of the choices is the best that there could possibly be-it means that, of the two, why not pick out the one that is better than the other.
Of course, if you are one of those “they are both equally bad!” people, this correction doesn’t apply.

I think that message would be sent much harder if Biden loses.

There was a big divide among Democrats this year. Some people argued the Democrats should go for a candidate - like Sanders - who excites voters. Others argued that the Democrats should go with a candidate - like Biden - who is more electable. The electable faction won and Biden was nominated.

But if Biden loses the general election, the electability argument will be tossed in the trash heap. The Democrats will give up on trying to run moderate candidates and turn the party over to the extremists.

So if you’re opposed to “cancel culture, SJW culture, woke culture, etc.” you should be supporting for Biden.

That’s a great point. If you’re worried about Democratic candidates like Warren or Bernie, then you should hope Biden wins. A Biden loss would immensely strengthen the most progressive and “woke” part of the party.

Strengthening the progressive extremists doesn’t necessarily translate into winning elections. Progressives really don’t seem to get how absolutely disgusted pretty much all Republicans and many centrists get when they hear really horrible ideas like socialism, redistribution of wealth, defunding police, etc.

Undecided, Hell.

We’re lucky we aren’t tossing lead at each other…

Sure, I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils, and it’s pretty rare that you see both candidates being so bad it doesn’t matter. But it’s rare that I see either candidate as being all that qualified for an executive office, it’s usually a contest between an incompetent corrupt evil candidate and one who is just incompetent and corrupt. We ended up where we are now by lowering the bar election after election. There is little we can do about this.

Yes, we need debates. For one thing, they are fun as hell! For another, they contribute to an informed electorate, which is something we are all supposed to be in favor of.

Regarding the question of “Is anyone at this point still undecided?”
a) Yes, there are. Some people wake up on Election Day still undecided.
b) Even people who ARE “decided,” they can afford to learn more about the candidates through the debates and possibly change their minds.

Final question for anti-debate people: What are you afraid of?

Why do you think fear factors into the equation?

While it would be too stalkerish, I wish the media would investigate the so-called undecided voters that CNN will inevitably showcase during the debates. I think they’re nothing but attention seeking scum, hey, you’re a married woman from the Columbus Ohio suburbs, come spew your debate analysis.

If we had two reasonable candidates, even if their policies differed from your own, I could see being on the fence. I would have been on the fence between Clinton and Kasich. I would have had to do some more analysis.

This ain’t a normal election.

What we have here is a choice between -

  • A centrist, that has experience in government.
  • A criminal moron that doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself. Who happens to have support from a hostile foreign government. Gosh, why is that?

Sure, I would love to see a third party, but do you want to burn down your house and the entire subdivision to show that the fire department is ill equipped? Well, that’s one hell of a statement, but you and your neighbors are now equally screwed.

Do you really have to think about this one?

Gonna vote third party in THIS election? I have a parable for you -

A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.

Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.”

The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.”

So the rowboat went on.

Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, “Jump in, I can save you.”

To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”

So the motorboat went on.

Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, “Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety.”

To this the stranded man again replied, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”

So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.

Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!”

To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?”

We have a choice. Botulism, or a steak that is a bit over cooked. Third party voters say “I’m gonna starve to death in protest”. Good luck with that.

Find and watch the The Good Fight Season 4 premier episode ""The Gang Deals with Alternate Reality.”

It’s an excellent take on why the entire #MeToo movement only exists because of Trump.

I can only think of two democrats I would have considered voting for, and they’re both out og the running, so I’m trying to decide between voting third party or just leaving that spot on the ballot blank.

But you don’t understand. If the centrist gets elected, the sky will fall and snipes will overrun the country.

And he’ll wear a tan suit, surely.

We can’t have that! Vote third party! That’s our only choice.

Is Biden the rowboat, the motorboat, or the helicopter? And why is God drowning my country?

I’m very often a third party voter. I have voted in every election including primaries since I was old enough to do so. I have never not cast a vote for President. I will not be casting one this election. This is the first time I actually feel like I’m throwing my vote away, but this time around I can’t stomach the presidential candidates. I feel disillusioned and disenfranchised. I am a progressive and have yet to see a candidate that represents the change I see as necessary be nominated by either party. The Democrats left me a long time ago.

I will, however be casting a vote in down ticket races. I see progressives making strides in local and congressional races. I don’t owe my vote to anyone and I don’t ever expect that my vote decides the winner. And voting for the “lesser of two evils” just means that you are willing to support less than what you believe the country deserves. Shouldn’t matter to you Democrats though since I’m in a solid Blue state. My vote only matters at the congressional, state and local levels anyway since I’m in a solid Red district. I can’t believe it’s lost on anyone that two-party domination has not served any of us well as this country becomes increasingly polarized. Maybe we’d be better off with a multi-party system. I don’t see change happening as long as we are “required” to choose between just two diametrically opposed dominant parties. How can either of them truly represent all of us? Don’t we come in many more flavors? I think both parties would reject more of a coalition type government because at this point, it would seem, they are more concerned with getting and maintaining power than really governing.