# Is being gay going against natural laws? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 6, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440 "2011-02-06T21:51:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/21 "2011-02-07T00:23:14Z")
It’s cliched, but I can always have my partner give me a handjob, ejaculate into a cup, and hand it over to my lesbian best friend for partner to use a turkey baster. It sounds like a bad LOGO sitcom. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/22 "2011-02-07T00:30:40Z")
> [@Rokman](#): > > I just had a thought, similar to the film Daybreakers, what if everyone on the planet was gay? and nobody had sex with the opposite gender. > > Humanity would end! Isn’t that sort of going against nature and our basic animal instincts? > > I’m not anti-gay or anything like that. This isn’t a troll thread. Just a simple question. What if everyone on the planet had a male children only for 50 years? Humanity would end! Isn’t that sort of going against our basic animal instincts?😃 I’m not anti-male babies or anything like that. This isn’t a troll thread. Just a simple question. BTW, the answer to your question and mine is “Yes”. ---
**Author:** ![Valteron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f17d59/32.png) [@Valteron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valteron)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/23 "2011-02-07T00:32:04Z")
BTW, the answer to “If my aunt had balls would she be my uncle?” is also “Yes!” ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/24 "2011-02-07T00:46:26Z")
> [@Rokman](#): > > Humanity would end! Isn’t that sort of going against nature and our basic animal instincts? No, there are animals in wild that show homosexual behaviours. There is no going against anything. > [@](#): > > I’m not anti-gay or anything like that. This isn’t a troll thread. Just a simple question. This statment is hard to believe as true. ---
**Author:** ![AshenLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@AshenLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AshenLady)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/25 "2011-02-07T00:51:03Z")
This thread reeks of the need for high powered political correctness, if I do say so myself. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/26 "2011-02-07T01:18:23Z")
> [@Rokman](#): > > I just had a thought, similar to the film Daybreakers, what if everyone on the planet was gay? and nobody had sex with the opposite gender. > > Humanity would end! Isn’t that sort of going against nature and our basic animal instincts? > > I’m not anti-gay or anything like that. This isn’t a troll thread. Just a simple question. Being gay does not prevent one from having sex with members of the opposite sex. In fact, I don’t know if there’s been a study on it, but I’d be willing to bet the overwhelming majority of gay men my age(late 30s) have had sex with women either to experiment, use as beards, or because they were in denial. Moreover, while I don’t think gay men would have much fun having sex with straight women, I don’t think they’d have nearly the problem with doing it that straight men(even non-homophobic straight men) would have with sex with another man since they haven’t grown up in a society that’s beating them over the head with the idea that its not normal for men to have sex with women whereas straight men have grown up in a society which has repeatedly emphasized that sex between to men is not normal. ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/27 "2011-02-07T01:23:43Z")
> [@Rokman](#): > > I just had a thought, similar to the film Daybreakers, what if everyone on the planet was gay? and nobody had sex with the opposite gender. > > Humanity would end! Isn’t that sort of going against nature and our basic animal instincts? > > I’m not anti-gay or anything like that. This isn’t a troll thread. Just a simple question. You’ve had a lot of good answers and you have not yet acknowledged whether your post was a troll post or not. I will assume it was. You need education. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/28 "2011-02-07T01:28:35Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > There is a theory that gay people make better aunts/uncles and that that partly explains why the trait is passed on. > > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35347847/ns/health-behavior/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35347847/ns/health-behavior/) I can’t believe that this kind of stuff actually passes for science. Makes good copy, though! As for the OP, if everyone was exclusively gay, then our “basic animal instincts” would be to have sex with people of the same gender. Our species would go extinct, but that’s going to happen sooner or later anyway. It’s not clear to what extent homosexuality is hereditary, but it’s clearly biological, and there’s no such thing as “natural law” anyway. Not in the sense you are trying to use it. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/29 "2011-02-07T01:34:53Z")
If only there was some way a woman could get pregnant without actually having sex… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/30 "2011-02-07T01:53:16Z")
> [@Rokman](#): > > **Is being gay going against natural laws?** Depends. Can gays travel faster than light? Do they violate conservation of energy? If so, cool! There’s lots of potential uses for that! We can reach the stars using the Gay Drive on ships powered by Gay Generators. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/31 "2011-02-07T02:00:20Z")
Gays can (and do) exist without causing everybody to be gay. Gays can also have babies and be parents, as my niece and her partner recently proved. The OP makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/32 "2011-02-07T02:10:09Z")
> [@AshenLady](#): > > This thread reeks of the need for high powered political correctness, if I do say so myself. This makes no sense. At all. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/33 "2011-02-07T02:11:11Z")
I think everyone is taking this too personally. The OP didn’t say ‘explain how gays are an abomination since that is what I want to believe’, he was asking how a trait that makes people not desire sex that can lead to pregnancy survives in our gene pool. It is an honest question. Another question would be why do some people find post-menopausal women sexually attractive? They can’t get pregnant either but they still date. But it isn’t meant to be an insult. Why are some people pedophiles and attracted to people too young to get pregnant, even if of the opposite gender? Obvious disclaimer: Not that I’m comparing senior dating or homosexuality to pedophilia. But none lead to having children. But they all exist anyway. For that matter, why are blowjobs nice? Nobody gets pregnant from one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/34 "2011-02-07T02:22:27Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > “Oh no, the human race will die out in an enormous gay orgy!” Given all the ways the human race might die out, this could be the most enjoyable way to go, IMHO. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/35 "2011-02-07T02:32:13Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > Given all the ways the human race might die out, this could be the most enjoyable way to go, IMHO. 😃 How do you like that, gooback ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/36 "2011-02-07T02:35:15Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I think everyone is taking this too personally. The OP didn’t say ‘explain how gays are an abomination since that is what I want to believe’, he was asking how a trait that makes people not desire sex that can lead to pregnancy survives in our gene pool. It is an honest question. Then he could have worded it better. As it is writen, it sounds just like what I have often heard many time over the years as a gay man as a reason to oppose gay rights. I have to go look up Daybreakers, to see what that means.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/37 "2011-02-07T02:36:34Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > How do you like that, gooback 😕 I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/38 "2011-02-07T03:23:55Z")
Is being sterile going against the natural laws? If everyone on the planet was born sterile, humanity would end. And yet, I think you will find that some people are sterile. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/39 "2011-02-07T03:32:32Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > 😕 I don’t get it. It is from a south park episode called goobacks. In order to stop immigrants in the future from existing a bunch of people have a massive gay sex orgy so nobody will have any kids. > **[South Park - Goobacks | South Park Studios US](https://southpark.cc.com/episodes/n6dj9t/south-park-goobacks-season-8-ep-7)** > > Humans from the year 4035 are traveling to South Park through a recently opened time portal and are looking for work. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440/40 "2011-02-07T03:36:32Z")
> [@](#): > > I just had a thought, similar to the film Daybreakers, what if everyone on the planet was gay? and nobody had sex with the opposite gender. What if everyone on the Earth was suddenly turned into a flying monkey? Or everyone on Earth suddenly disappeared to be replaced by intelligent turnips? Here is the thing…‘what if’s’ of such improbably and unlikely events really are just mental masturbation. > [@](#): > > Is being gay going against natural laws? Obviously not, since we do it and we are part of nature. Also, other animals exhibit homosexuality, so it’s not against some ‘natural law’. Think of ‘natural law’ as more a guideline than a hard and fast ‘law’. Or, just toss out any silly concept that there IS a ‘natural law’, since it’s a meaningless term. Humans are part of nature. Pretty much everything we do (sans the ‘pretty much’ part) IS natural…for us. It’s part of our nature. We are part of the natural world. QED, homosexuality is an aspect of human sexuality and ‘natural law’. > [@](#): > > Humanity would end! Isn’t that sort of going against nature and our basic animal instincts? Except that your scenario is unlikely to the turning into flying monkeys point. Humanity is more likely to be wiped out by giant space crickets than to have everyone suddenly turn homosexual and stop procreating, which are actually two separate things, i.e. all humans turning homosexual AND all humans also stopping procreation. > [@](#): > > I’m not anti-gay or anything like that. This isn’t a troll thread. Just a simple question. I’m skeptical, but ok. It’s been answered. -XT [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-being-gay-going-against-natural-laws/570440.md?page=3)