I don’t think your list of incidents supports your claim at all. You’ve listed twenty or so incidents all over the world, going back decades (or centuries, in a couple of cases), out of probably hundreds of thousands of sporting events that have taken place. The American stereotype of soccer games regularly descending into riots among fans is wildly exaggerated.
A full scene of crimes team came out and took fingerprint and DNA evidence. At the same time a full team of detectives canvassed the area looking for witnesses. The DNA came up a match, and after a cross county chase and a stand off, my bike was recovered.
Or in other words, in what countries are swiped bicycles investigated? Beyond giving a crime number maybe for insurance purposes.
Add me down as another Brit who sleeps well at night not worrying about the pitter patter of not so little feet.
Saying it comprehensively fails the public is too strong, there are problems with law, the courts, the CPS (DA in US speak) and the Police but as has been said the vast majority of people are not living in fear of crime nor are they often the victim of a crime, let alone experience a serious crime.
One of the problems we’ve got is that our prisons are full, hence some people who should be jailed aren’t and some police caution suspects instead of passing the details on to the CPS for prosecution.
…come on, your not serious, right? Your citing the 1981 Springbok Tour of New Zealand as an example of sports fans out of control and hooligans stomping people into the dust? Can I suggest you break open a history book, or at the very least the wiki page, and find out what happened in New Zealand in 1981 and also find out a bit about the history of apartheid. Then you could explain why listing only three riots in the US, as compared to 1 “riot” in New Zealand and 2 riots in Australia and 1 riot in the Congo and 2 riots in Canada is evidence of anything you have asserted.
and if you note, I said you could ignore the roman one and the 1800s one :rolleyes:
And how do you explain all the footage of soccer fights that hit the news? How many discrete entries on youtube would I find of hooliganism. Hell it is even called hooliganism. Our american foot ball games do not tend to end in bar fights and hooliganism.
Hell, Britain gets 11 paragraphsand the US get only 7, which includes Canada [not fair, we don’t own Canada, last I checked]
British authorities have revealed measures to halt the World Cup travel plans of more than 3,000 football hooligans who have in the past been convicted for the violent behaviour at matches.
Officials in the UK are looking into ways to avoid all the embarrassment caused by gangs of soccer thugs who would want to travel to South Africa this summer in a bid to ‘support’ the English national team through the competition at the 2010 FIFA World Cup.
and this list are all happy little boys out for a walk about town:
* Aldershot Town – A Company
* Arsenal – The Gooners, The Herd
* Aston Villa – Villa Youth, Steamers,Villa Hardcore, C-Crew
* Birmingham City – Zulus
* Blackpool – The Muckers
* Bolton Wanderers - Cuckoo Boys, Bolton Service Youth
* Bradford City – The Ointment
* Brentford – Hounslow Mentals, TW8 Casuals, Brentford Youth Element (Brentford Under 5's)
* Bristol City – City Service Firm
* Burnley – Suicide Squad
* Carlisle United – Border City Firm, bagpipes
* Charlton Athletic – Cockney Firestarters, B Mob
* Chelsea – Headhunters
* Coventry City – The Legion
* Crystal Palace - Dirty 30
* Derby County – Derby Lunatic Fringe
* Everton – County Road Cutters
* Fulham – Thames Valley Travellers
* Grimsby Town – Cleethorpes Beach Patrol, Grimsby Hit Squad
* Huddersfield Town – Huddersfield Young Casuals, udder
* Hull City – Hull City Psychos
* Leicester City – Baby Squad
* Liverpool – The Urchins
* Luton Town – The MIGs
* Manchester City – Guvnors
* Manchester United – The Red Army
* Middlesbrough – The Frontline
* Millwall – Bushwackers
* Newcastle United F.C. – Newcastle Gremlins
* Nottingham Forest F.C. – Forest Executive Crew
* Norwich City – Norwich Hit Squad
* Oldham Athletic – Fine Young Casuals
* Oxford United – South Midlands Hit Squad
* Plymouth Argyle – The Central Element
* Portsmouth – 6.57 Crew
* Preston North End – Preston Para Squad
* Queens Park Rangers – Bushbabies
* Sheffield United – Blades Business Crew
* Sheffield Wednesday – Owls Crime Squad
* Southend United – CS Crew
* Stoke City – Naughty Forty
* Sunderland – Seaburn Casuals
* Swindon Town – The Aggro Boys; Swindon Active Service (SAS)
* Tottenham Hotspur – Yid Army
* West Bromwich Albion – Section Five
* West Ham United – Inter City Firm
* Wolverhampton Wanderers – Subway Army
and I really didnt see much involving the US on Hooli-News either.
I did not make the original list, I got it googling for sports riots and wiki popped up with it.
Check out the response post further down where I do spend more than 5 minutes googling hooliganism. Lots of good information there, or check http://www.hooli-news.co.uk/home.php as they seem to be so fixated on hooliganism that they scan the internet and compile all the hooliganism reports and videos several times daily. I might add this seems to be a UK concern, not a US webpage.
…regardless of where you got the list, you cited it in support of your position. Can you explain how the 1981 Springbok Tour Protests help support your position?
Counting the number of incidents that make the news is not a vliad way to determine how often those incidents happen. It’s colored by what news organizations choose to report. When I was growing up in Lexington, Kentucky, there was rioting in the streets whenever the Kentucky basketball team made the Final Four. It wasn’t widely considered newsworthy, however.
Counting paragraphs on a Wikipedia page is even worse, since Wikipedia is not a reliable source because anyone can edit any page at any time. I could go to that page right now and delete the eleven paragraphs about football hooliganism in England or add a bunch of paragraphs in the United States section. Would that count as evidence that the relative frequency of incidents in the two countries had changed?
When was the last time some mentalist walked into a British school and shot the fuck out of the students? 14 years ago, in Dunblane. There’s been three school shootings in the UK in the last hundred years, one of them resulted in no fatalities. There’s virtually three school shootings a minute in the US.
Note to retards: obvious hyperbole.
You swear? What the fuck would you know? How many football games have you been to?
Almost all British sport events go off without riot police on site, too. Rioting at a football game is rare. Rioting at any other sporting event is virtually non-existent.
Oh my fucking God. You just compared chavs to the Bloods and the Crips? What do you think “chavs” actually are?
I went to Ohio State, and there was couch burning and huge, blowout keg parties every time they beat Michigan, and the city would send the horse cops to patrol the off-campus area. I doubt there was a significantly increased incidence of fist fighting, but I could be wrong.
You have to lock your shit up or the frackers will steal it.
Now lets try it with two different emphasis.
YOU have to lock YOUR shit up or the frackers will steal it.
Or
You have to lock your shit up or the FRACKERS will STEAL it.
It sounds to me like currently Britian is better represented by the first and America perhaps by the second.
It really doesnt matter the relative levels of crime or how likely they are to be solved. But, IMO it IS rather disturbing that socially at some level crime is just being accepted and its as much or more the victims fault than the criminals. Thats just fucked up.