Colorado is blue and for EV infrastructure that matters. Part of the Colorado Republican platform is to eliminate building charging stations because …
I don’t even see how that matters. Once there is a certain number of EVs in an area, the infrastructure will be built to support it. That’s what happened throughout history.
Are they planning on outlawing recharging stations if they get back in power? It’s not like the state of Colorado is paying for them.
Maybe. When they elected their officers last year, they made a big deal about NOT having electronic voting and the tellers carried out the ballot boxes like boxers holding up their championship belt. There is no plan beyond MAGA of the Minute. That was one reason I disaffiliated from the party.
The average price of a used car is $28,000 according to one source. The average price of a new car is closer to $50,000. You are absolutely right that find a decent running used car for $3,000 is rare. For the price of the average new car, you can have a choice of long range electric vehicles. For the price of an average used car, there are new electric cars you can choose instead.
There are at least 5 times as many charging stations in my neighborhood of 300 homes than there are in your entire backwards city. People install them in their garages, so sometimes they are hard to see.
EV batteries are prone to thermal runaway and the fire is extremely hard to extinguish. Say goodbye to your house if your EV is parked in the attached garage. The EV battery fire basically cannot be extinguished so fire departments will just let it burn. ICE just don’t randomly catch fire, and even if a fire starts can be easily extinguished.
So for a HOA ,not really political so much as dealing with an unknown EV vs. known ICE.
It’s worse than I thought, thanks for the update!
It doesn’t matter how many cars you have. What matters is how many miles they drive. The chargers themselves are cheap.
Nonsense. ICE cars can spontaneously catch on fire for all sorts of reasons. Just one example:
The EV batter contains much less total energy compared to a tank of gas.
I do not have a garage.
I live in a condo, converted from an apartment building.
Do you have a dedicated parking space? A plug can be installed for your use.
Nevertheless, even street parking can be made EV-compatible.
A friend of a friend uses an electric car in an apartment with no dedicated parking spot at all. She charges at work, at public chargers or, apparently on rare occasion, with an extension cord strung out her window. People in apartments are less likely to own cars and are more likely to live in cities where people drive less in any event so charging is less of an issue for apartment dwellers than it is for others.
This is misleading. This is an average price from used/new car dealers. It is not profitable for them to sell cheap used cars so they don’t. If you want a cheap used car you are going to buy it from a private party finding it via Craigslist or an auction or similar sources.
You should also cite the ships filled with EV’s that have burned thousands of EV per ship. You dont see that with ICE. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
My point is it’s not political, or just people’s uncle or brother pointing this out like the post I was responding to said it was.
Some, perhaps most, of those supposed EV-caused-ship-fires are probably not caused by an EV. There was one case with a ship carrying several thousand cars with about 400 of them EVs; everyone immediately blamed the EVs. But on further investigation, it turned out the EVs were no where near the place the fire started and (I think) they were still driveable. I think I can find a cite for this if you want it.
EVs’ reputation for spontaneously catching fire is a potential problem for EV owners. There was a case where an EV parked on the street caught fire and the police refused to investigate because of that reputation. It was a Tesla which has a security camera system (actually, it’s the cameras used for Autopilot/FSD, but they make a good security camera system too). The owner looked at his and found video of someone pouring gasoline on the car and then setting it on fire.
Yes but it’s comparable year over year and it’s the number usually cited as the average used car price. Used car dealers used to make plenty selling cheap used cars to poor people. Now they just make more money selling expensive used cars to middle class people priced out of the new car market.
I have a feeling that extension cord charging of EVs will be banned in apartments because of fire and safety risks. Unless it’s at a plug right at the parking spot. But if it’s from the apartment to the car, there’s no guarantee that the person will get a cord that is sufficient for the 12 amp charging over the length they would need. And there are safety issues about having a cord in places where people could trip on them or accidentally cut them. It might be okay if someone needs to get a little charge during the day, but I don’t think apartments will allow cords to charge cars overnight on a regular basis.
Some apartments have garages that can be rented which have power plugs. That might work, but sometimes a block of garages all share a common breaker. With standard breakers, only one or two plug-in chargers could be charging before the breaker pops.
The main problem is that EV battery fires cannot be easily extinguished, it makes sense for HOA’s and apartment complex’s to think twice about them.
I think I mentioned this recently in another thread, but the apartment complex I lived at in Montana had dedicated parking and an outdoor outlet for each of the 106 units in the complex. It wasn’t because of electric vehicles, but because in a cold Montana winter, it can be impossible to start a car without an engine heater. The net effect is the same, though: It’s possible to provide outlets at an apartment, if there’s demand for them.
I think the methods used for extinguishing fires in electric vehicles may be different than the familiar methods, so fire departments may need to learn what to do. I’ve read that EV fires can be extinguished with water, though a whole lot more than needed for ICE vehicle fires. Or something called a car fire blanket might work, by smothering the fire.