We’re a couple hundred and more years removed from all that revolution stuff, that time. U feel anything special for king George, the lords n ladies, r the rich community pillars of that time in this country?
Think they were somehoew genetically different, better, in some substantial way?
Or was it more a thing of right place, right family, right time? Only one answer if u know some of the nitty guhrittay of history, and had some ups n downs in yer own life. Ain’t genetix.
But some version of the idea, that someone’s better than u, that’s y they got all the money and the rest of it, been around a long time, and still is. It’s y u ain’t seein an immediate connection with rrr scum. U been taught there’s a certain order, however subtly. That’s important to know.
Cuz a whole bunch of this deal, that deal n the other, is u think other people r somehow inherently better than u. And that their power structures know best, basically. Might get mad at me fer sayin it, I don’t fuckin care. Go hang out by yerself a while, c its tru, cry. Big deal, so I’m pointin it out.
o’rion, don’t post while stoned, and please stay on topic. Hardly anybody is talking about the original thread subject anymore because you’re clogging up the thread with whatever this is.
Yih, or u could learn to have a little fuckin patience to let a discussion develop and happen. Makes u prescient enuff to know where I’m goin, the steps n stops I’m takin to get there, and that I’m off topic, Marley?
U know all that, what I’m fixin to say, what’s the fuckin point of a message board, everybody can just ask Marley wat everybody’s fixin to say. n what’s yer pain anyway, its little blocks of text among adults.
I’m plenty patient. This thread has been going for a week and a half. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, but it seems like you abandoned the thread topic about 15 posts ago. If you have something to say about the original subject and not railroads or whatever else, say it.
Ah, ok. So there r time limits on…connversations? Time limits andor word limits to threads?
Shit buddy, didn’t know, my bad. Zere somewhere I can buy my own copy of marleys book of dope shit that Marley totally fuckin made up made up by Marley? Fer only thirteen ninetynine?
Well yeah, used practically, it can be several different important kinds of healthy. I was exploring one r two that I never see explored, erfuckingo I was takin my time, doin some efficient, yet wandery, exploration.
Which u seem to have a problem with. Since the people I’ve never seen discuss what I been tryin to discuss include yer fuckin ass, I gotta think u ain’t prescient, like u essentially claimed. Claimed that, that I was off topic, u knew this with yer prescience, and then that apparently this thread, which had been hangin around awhile, was somehow problematic. Time constraints r some shit.
Seems like u wanna obstruct, rush, hurry or constrain this convo for some reason. I’m posting some of my thoughts. This in no fuckin way incurs some kinda debt on my part to some bullshit u got goin. Postin at my own rhythm, gettin where I’m goin, like I said, its fuckin germane. Please don’t try to pull the prescient bullshit again, or do. Declare I had nothing worth readin, ban me, declare the thread was goin to b worthless, u had foreseen it, or shut the Fuck up or participate. Jumpin in with all yer goofy claims ain’t conducive to constructive conversation, on-topic or not.
I don’t like this point at all. Can you name the ‘toxins’? Can you explain what harm they do? For instance, it is absolutely false that pot is ‘just like tobacco’. For instance, researchers have beaten their brains out trying to prove a link between pot smoking and cancer. So far, nothing.
As for ‘no smoke, any smoke’, well, people have been inhaling smoke ever since the discovery of fire. As the previous point suggests, not all smoke is the same, so some actual specifics would be appreciated.
My POV here isn’t that everyone should run out and smoke pot, but rather that a terrible injustice continues in this country with the legal consequences attached to pot. Every Boss Hogg in the country has a chance to ruin the lives of young black men over something that really doesn’t matter. I weep for the racist application of US pot laws. You aren’t helping by promoting garbage ‘nanny facts’.
Please, stop these vague, hand wavey generalizations. It simply is.not.like.other.drugs. If you disagree, please explain precisely why. All of us (in the US) are paying taxes to keep people in jail because of garbage statements like this.
Lastly, of course cannabis can be healthy, otherwise doctors would not prescribe it. Yes, that system is abused by recreational users, but that doesn’t change things.
The ‘tars’ everyone talks about in tobacco smoke are of so much concern because they contain thingies called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. The wiki will show that their carcinogenicity is very well-studied. The kicker, as your second link suggests, is that despite that, smoking pot appears to have a mild anti-carcinogenic effect (I say mild because that bladder study is the most dramatic one of its kind I’ve seen, and because I hesitate to dance its praise in the steets before reading the study proper).
Anyway, Comprehensive is right about the toxin thing too. The issue is not - has never been - with substances endogenously produced by the plant but those generated when the plant material is combusted. The usual suspects are, by definition, not toxins.
#1st I am pro-legilization and I actually voted for the law that legalized pot but with that said he can’t answer and I cringe at the use of “toxins” but in smoke form.
I also do not hold, nor do I support the banned users ideals but in order to “fight ignorance”
Carbon-monoxide is one of the main “toxins” that causes smokers to be slower to heal and is also in smoked pot.
Not very good logic there.
Methadone is not healthy..it is prescribed for harm reduction reasons.
Chemo if you have prostate cancer that has stopped responding to hormone treatment is very much poison with a very very tiny chance of doing anything to save the patient and it is often prescribed by doctors.
Doctors are human and falible, they do not have all the facts or even, in rare cases the patients health as the top concern.
Some Doctors just don’t really have an issue with people who want to get high and avoid what ever pains them. Especially if they are unable to treat them with known medicine.
But as to the claim that it is “healthy”…that burden of proof is on the pro-user’s side as far as evidence goes. Even if it is not harmful it is not automatically “healthy”.
Once again, I voted to make it legal, do not use and have no issues with people using it for recreation.
Filtering the smoke appears to filter the THC out too. (Cite)
That study comes out of an advocacy organisation, I should mention. It’s been cited fairly widely, including in actual journals, at least one government monograph and in several decent-looking sciencey books on drugs and legalization, though, and seems to be the only source outside of anecdotal reports on the subject.
Let’s not put words into Comprehensive’s mouth here. I think we should try to draw a distinction between healthy as in more-or-less health neutral and healthy as in healthful, or health-enhancing. The latter is a somewhat greater claim.
