# Is Chanel #5 really made from cat sweat? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 2, 2001, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045 "2001-05-02T04:17:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Daemon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Daemon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daemon)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/1 "2001-05-02T04:17:48Z")
I have heard this for as long as I can remember (and even read it in a book somewhere) that a major ingredient of Chanel #5 perfume is the sweaty excretions of the Abbisinian Civet cat. I have even heard that they stretch these cats out on some type of medieval rack, and whip them mercilessly to make them sweat more. The Straight Dope, please, Cecil. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2001, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/2 "2001-05-02T06:16:20Z")
The civet isn’t really a cat, and it’s not the sweat that is used. It’s actually the musky substance that is “extracted” from their perineal gland near the base of their tail. It used to be used as a fixative in perfumes. A fixative is used mainly to prolong the duration of the perfumes scent, although they do have a scent of their own. Another common fixative was ambergris. It’s sort of a sperm whale’s version of a furball. They eat mostly cuttlefish, which have sharp beaks that irritate the whale’s stomach. The whale’s body produces ambergris to counteract this. It can be obtained by opening the whale or just waiting until the whale “tosses his cookies”. I’m guessing that no American company uses either of these ingredients today, as suitable synthetics exist. They are possibly still used by companies in countries where this practice doesn’t seem to offend the senses. Although perfume ingredients are a trade secret, Chanel No. 5 is actually more famous for it’s use of synthetics, i.e. aldehydes. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/3 "2001-05-26T05:24:11Z")
The Other Master (i.e. Shakespeare) touched on this point: > [@](#): > > \*AS YOU LIKE IT,\*Act III, Scene ii: > > TOUCHSTONE. Such a one is a natural philosopher. Wast ever in court, shepherd? > > CORIN. No, truly. > > TOUCHSTONE. Then thou art damn’d. > > CORIN. Nay, I hope. > > TOUCHSTONE. Truly, thou art damn’d, like an ill-roasted egg, all on one side. > > CORIN. For not being at court? Your reason. > > TOUCHSTONE. Why, if thou never wast at court thou never saw’st good manners; if thou never saw’st good manners, then thy manners must be wicked; and wickedness is sin, and sin is damnation. Thou art in a parlous state, shepherd. > > CORIN. Not a whit, Touchstone. Those that are good manners at the court are as ridiculous in the country as the behaviour of the country is most mockable at the court. You told me you salute not at the court, but you kiss your hands; that courtesy would be uncleanly if courtiers were shepherds. > > TOUCHSTONE. Instance, briefly; come, instance. > > CORIN. Why, we are still handling our ewes; and their fells, you know, are greasy. > > TOUCHSTONE. Why, do not your courtier’s hands sweat? And is not the grease of a mutton as wholesome as the sweat of a man? Shallow, shallow. A better instance, I say; come. > > CORIN. Besides, our hands are hard. > > TOUCHSTONE. Your lips will feel them the sooner. Shallow again. A more sounder instance; come. > > CORIN. And they are often tarr’d over with the surgery of our sheep; and would you have us kiss tar? The courtier’s hands are perfum’d with **civet.** > > TOUCHSTONE. Most shallow man! thou worm’s meat in respect of a good piece of flesh indeed! Learn of the wise, and perpend: **civet is of a baser birth than tar- the very uncleanly flux of a cat.** Mend the instance, shepherd. > > CORIN. You have too courtly a wit for me; I’ll rest. > > TOUCHSTONE. Wilt thou rest damn’d? God help thee, shallow man! ---
**Author:** ![Autumn\_Wind\_Chick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Autumn\_Wind\_Chick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autumn_Wind_Chick)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/4 "2001-05-26T12:00:00Z")
A recent Cecil collumn touches on this subject. [http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010525.html](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010525.html) ---
**Author:** ![Morrison\_s\_Lament](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Morrison\_s\_Lament](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morrison_s_Lament)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/5 "2001-05-26T13:09:32Z")
It’s like the latest damn column! How could you possibly enter the Straight Dope homepage without noticing the extensive coverage on this subject? — G. Raven ---
**Author:** ![Morrison\_s\_Lament](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Morrison\_s\_Lament](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morrison_s_Lament)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/6 "2001-05-26T13:12:14Z")
OK, I am officially the first one to notice this, I think. This is actually the exact same question Cecil answered. Worded in the same way, and sent by the same name. Thus, this must be some kind of stupid joke, and I hope this thread will be closed as soon as possible. — G. Raven ---
**Author:** ![wayward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wayward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wayward)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/7 "2001-05-26T13:20:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Morrison’s Lament \* > \*\*OK, I am officially the first one to notice this, I think. > > This is actually the exact same question Cecil answered. Worded in the same way, and sent by the same name. > > Thus, this must be some kind of stupid joke, and I hope this thread will be closed as soon as possible. > — G. Raven \*\* No, I don’t think you are the first one to notice it. At first I thought your reply was some sort of stupid joke but with your second post I realised you were serious. If you actually read the column it credits the question as coming from **‘Daemon, via the Straight Dope Message Board’**. The question was taken directly from this thread, not the other way round. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/8 "2001-05-26T14:52:44Z")
**Morrison** - **Daemon** explains at this thread: [Cecil used my Question today!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=72082) ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@Turbo\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turbo_Dog)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2001, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/9 "2001-05-26T15:03:14Z")
For the truth behind feline persperation, extensive research was performed on the effects of cat sweat, and the most efficient means of extraction by Mr. Oliver Wendell Jones and Mr. Milo Bloom. Great stuff until it was made illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Morrison\_s\_Lament](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Morrison\_s\_Lament](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morrison_s_Lament)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/10 "2001-05-27T06:14:46Z")
Oops. The thing is, I assumed Cecil could not work so fast. I’ve heard of people seeing their questions answered years and months after they first sent them in. Congratulations on the unprecedented rush treatment dude, and sorry about my assumptions 😃 — G. Raven ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/11 "2001-05-27T06:31:11Z")
> [@](#): > > For the truth behind feline persperation, extensive research was performed on the effects of cat sweat, and the most efficient means of extraction by Mr. Oliver Wendell Jones and Mr. Milo Bloom. Great stuff until it was made illegal. > [@](#): > > Mr. Jones: I’ve tried everything. I can’t get our lab animal to sweat. > > Mr. Bloom: Lemme try. [To Bill the Cat] Okay Billy Boy… listen carefully: PRESIDENT QUAYLE!! > > Bill the Cat: AAIGH! > > Mr. Bloom: He’s sweating. > > Mr. Jones: **I’m** sweating. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/12 "2001-05-27T18:08:49Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m almost sure we learned in biology that dogs and cats pant when it’s hot out because they have no sweat glands. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2001, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-chanel-5-really-made-from-cat-sweat/64045/13 "2001-05-27T19:40:55Z")
Maybe, **elfkin477** , but does that apply to cloned undead cats with brain transplants?