Is church tax status in any danger?

Are you asking how many it takes to do a real multi-year 501(c)3 review or how many it takes to do a Trump-level review?

Whichever Trump would attempt to use to get revenge on Bishop Budde.

Churches? Probably not. Mosques? Oh yeah,

Consider thestatistics: An August 2017 poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania found that almost 1 in 5 Americans believe that, under the U.S. Constitution, American Muslims do not have the same rights as other American citizens.[1] A 2015 poll by the Associated Press and the N.O.R.C. Center for Public Affairs Research found that Americans favor protecting religious liberty for Christians over other faith groups, ranking Muslims as the least deserving of this right. 82% voted in favor of protecting religious liberty for Christians, while only 61% said the same for Muslims.[2]

https://themaydan.com/2019/09/when-islam-is-not-a-religion-inside-americas-fight-for-religious-freedom/

Not that tax status matters if the thing isn’t even allowed to exist.

Good point, unless he can overturn the consitution.

He doesn’t need a following any more, he’s got the ticket.
Unlike the UK government system he can’t be removed by something like a “vote of no confidence”, short of an impeachment that actually sticks… historically unlikely.

What he does with it… who knows? It’s Calvinball for the next 4 years, as you say.

Historical question: when where and how did the tax breaks for US religious institutions become established? I’m not sure if there is anything similar in the UK … the Church of England is of course the ‘official’ church since Henry VIII, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there is something similar.
Yeah, I know… I should do my own research, but it’s dinner cooking time; I’ll get to it tomorrow… :slight_smile:

I don’t see this as a fight Trump has any interest in picking. Not because of any principled stance on his part, but because it might open up a can of worms regarding his own followers. I doubt we’ll see attempts at going after non-Christian religions either. I don’t mean to imply he’s incapable of such wickedness, only that I don’t think he’ll go this particular route.

I don’t see his followers having any problems with him going after supposed “not true Christian” religious organizations.

Yeah,
1 Islam, et al, are not real religions because they worship Satan and not Jesus, the only God.
B Christianity isn’t a religion, it’s a personal relationship with Jesus!

As of 2023, the estimated worth of the LDS church was over $250B. WTF does any church need a nest egg of $250B for? All the while forcing their members to turn over 10% of their income.

Of course, we have individuals with even larger net worths which also has to be a sin assuming there is a “god”.

Well it’s not like Trump supporters have a good track record for thinking through the consequences of their actions, so you might be right.

Not even then. If he does alter or overturn the constitution, one thing the new arrangements definitely will not contain is any notion he has to stand for re-election. He’ll be the especially grandfathered prez for life.

Going after liberal and/or non-Christian religious groups is certainly a step on the road to fascism, but I doubt it’s a step they’ll be trying to take in the near future.

Define “near”.

I’m not @Thing.Fish but I bet they don’t greatly attack non-Xians and non-fundamentalist Xians until after the racial attacks become ineffective crowd pleasers.

So it’ll start in about 2 years.

Not until we’re further along the road to fascism. Racial and gender minority groups will be firmly entrenched in second-class citizenship and the press will be muzzled before we get to that point, I’m guessing. How long that will take is impossible to say at this point, hopefully never but maybe not very long at all.

The Internal Revenue Code of 1954 established 501(c)(3) exemptions for organizations. It was a reorganization of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939, but I wasn’t able to discern what church status was in that. Most sites make a point of noting that the purpose of the 1954 law was to ban any partisan political activity, so tax exemptions may have antedated that.

This is called the Johnson Amendment. Back in 2017:

"In his address to the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday, President Trump vowed to “get rid of and totally destroy the Johnson Amendment and allow our representatives of faith to speak freely and without fear of retribution.”

I doubt he’s changed his mind any.

Speak freely. As long as they spew only approved propaganda, not the despicable lies of the wrong-thinkers.

I swear George Orwell designed this guy’s brain.

True, but trump gets all het up when someone he supports for election loses. So, yeah, trumps rating going down down down, can hurt him. Not to mention, I bet if his popularity rating goes down it pisses him off.

Since it started.

Why Are Churches Tax-Exempt?.
Since our country’s founding, churches have been tax-exempt from federal taxes, but it wasn’t until 1894 (Tariff Act) that it became official. Although the Tariff Act was later declared unconstitutional, the church tax exemption was reinstated by the Revenue Act of 1913.

There is-
Do Churches Pay Taxes in the UK: A Guide to Church Taxation.
Churches registered as charities are generally exempt from paying income tax in the UK .

I think churches enjoy tax exemptions in most countries — either tax exemptions specifically directed at churches, or broader tax exemptions covering, e.g., non-profits, or some combination of the two.

(And that’s before we get to countries in which churches are funded with public money.)

what products/services do churches “sell” to public?

Many churches require tithing and/or regular donations just to attend their services, and churches have numerous fundraising events where things are sold to generate income. I guess you could say they are selling you eternal life and salvation.

There are undoubtedly some churches that don’t charge to attend, but they have to find a funding source to pay for the facility maintenance and people’s salaries.

Some churches sell education. If you want to go to Bellarmine Catholic High School in San Jose, CA it will cost you $29,045 per year, and that doesn’t include additional donations you are asked to make at the annual parent’s dinner.