# Is Clinton slinging mud at Obama (and blaming it on the right-wing conspiracy)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 23, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024 "2007-01-23T00:59:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/81 "2007-01-24T04:35:33Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] See post #76 and links embedded therein, **all** of them. [/QUOTE] Looked at 'em. Still don’t see fabrication of sources as one of their alleged crimes. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/82 "2007-01-24T06:32:26Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] My “theories”? My “theory” in this case is that the source of the story is the one attributed by its author. That one’s really _out_ there, I know… [/QUOTE] What author? Did you actually go to [Insight Magazine](http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm) ands read the article? It does not attribute the claim to _anyone_ other than vaguely referenced “sources.” It also has no “author.” The entire smear was written anonymously and its unidentified typist “attributed” its claims to no one. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/83 "2007-01-24T08:33:48Z")
Note that the “secret Muslim” stuff has been making the rightwing rounds on blogs and emails for a while now. You might want to claim that the Clintons also were involved somehow, but the fact is, it needed no help. It was already out there and being pushed. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/84 "2007-01-24T09:38:35Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Where is your evidence? [/QUOTE] He/she works for the Moonies and therefore demonstrably has no journalistic ethics and as they are anonymous - no guts either. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/85 "2007-01-24T14:00:43Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Yes, **Guin** , I am very aware of the Unification Church. Unless you’re claiming that one of the canons of the church is fabrication of journalistic sources, you’re still arguing a _non-sequitur_. [/QUOTE] _sigh_ My point is, they have ZERO credibility. None. Zip. Nada. So if they tell you the sky is blue, you should still ask for a better source. ETA: And again, let me ask you, if the Church of Scientology published an article about oh, anti-depressants, would you take their word for it? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/86 "2007-01-24T14:36:19Z")
No, it had one very good purpose – it got people arguing on a public message board about whether there maybe, just maybe, might be something to this obvious smear. “Especially when you think about all the things that Billary got away with…” :dubious: Believe it or not, this sort of stuff actually plays in some places. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/87 "2007-01-31T01:20:25Z")
Y’know, I think Barack should\* run\* on this: “I was raised in Indonesia! I was educated in a _madrasah!_ And I came to America & became a Christian! I’m proof that Western Civilization can _ **WIN!!!** _” Too bad it’s not true. _Madrasah_, outside of Western journalistic shorthand, means “school,” period. Tempest in a kettle. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/88 "2007-01-31T19:12:17Z")
And _jihad,_ outside of Western journalistic shorthand, means “struggle,” period. Not that any of these posts will prevent certain rabble-rousers from using them as synonyms for “America-destroying turban-wearing crazies”… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/89 "2007-02-06T19:58:53Z")
I just had to bump this thread to link to this priceless [cartoon.](http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=21959) ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/90 "2007-02-06T21:45:38Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] And that’s true, so: given that there is a meme floating around that Obama has been indoctrinated by strict Islam, and there is a separate meme floating around that this is a vicious lie from the Clinton camp; who gains? [/QUOTE] What I find absolutely fascinating is that we Americans are so intoxicated by own Islamophobia, that we don’t even realize the inherent wrongness of denying someone from holding political power because they _may_ have been “contaminated” by Islam. Not contaminated today or last year, no, ladies and gentleman, we’re talking 40 years ago. America must think of Muslims as supernatural demons: so much so that brief contact with them in elementary school is enough to turn you into a traitor 40 years later. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/91 "2007-02-06T22:47:30Z")
[QUOTE=Honesty] America must think of Muslims as supernatural demons: so much so that brief contact with them in elementary school is enough to turn you into a traitor 40 years later. [/QUOTE] Jack Chick, in his tracts, typically draws gays with little possessing-demons crawling on their shoulders. Never seen him draw a Muslim that way, but I wouldn’t be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Martiju](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@Martiju](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martiju)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024/92 "2007-02-07T10:41:19Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I just had to bump this thread to link to this priceless [cartoon.](http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=21959) [/QUOTE] Would be funny, if it weren’t so true… ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-clinton-slinging-mud-at-obama-and-blaming-it-on-the-right-wing-conspiracy/389024.md?page=4)