# Is dirty/negative campaigning effective? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 14, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181 "2010-06-14T19:01:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/1 "2010-06-14T19:01:16Z")
I’ve been pondering this a while, more intensively lately because it’s general election time here. My party has the firm policy of staying away from negative campaigning and focusing on issues. This is obviously the morally and democratically correct thing to do, but is it as effective? Most of the hypothetical models I ponder show that negative campaigning is both easier and more effective, at least in the short run. I’d like to be convinced otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/2 "2010-06-14T19:03:48Z")
Remember the Swiftboaters and what they did ? It was as nasty as it could get and apparently worked. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/3 "2010-06-14T19:04:44Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > My party has the firm policy of staying away from negative campaigning and focusing on issues. What party is that? Have they won any elections? I hate negative campaigning, but unfortunately it works or they wouldn’t use it. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/4 "2010-06-14T19:12:51Z")
Ask Helen Douglas, i.e. [The Pink Lady](http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/m/mitchell-tricky.html). > [@gonzomax](#): > > Remember the Swiftboaters and what they did ? It was as nasty as it could get and apparently worked. Not only does that indicate the effectiveness of such tactics, but the case that the details can actually be fabricated out of whole cloth without the slightest bit of substance. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/5 "2010-06-14T19:14:23Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > My party has the firm policy of staying away from negative campaigning and focusing on issues. This is obviously the morally and democratically correct thing to do, but is it as effective? While I agree negative campaigning sucks, why is avoiding it necessarily correct “democratically”? From what I recall of U.S. history, negative campaigning has been around since the founding fathers. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/6 "2010-06-14T19:19:14Z")
Not only is it effective, it’s probably the most consistently effect tactic available. That’s why they do it. If it didn’t work, candidates wouldn’t spend so much money on it. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/7 "2010-06-14T19:30:09Z")
\*Ma, Ma, where’s my Pa? Gone to the White House, ha ha ha.\* Think that was campaign mud flung at somebody…maybe Harrison…back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/8 "2010-06-14T19:38:30Z")
Ideally, a campaign seeks to accomplish three things: A) Energize your supporters to vote B) Convert your opponent’s supporters C) Convert or at least neutralize the undecided vote Negative campaigning is highly effective in accomplishing A and C. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/9 "2010-06-14T19:41:31Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > This is obviously the morally and democratically correct thing to do, but is it as effective? Why is it morally and democratically correct? If I say my opponent voted against the education bill, called for cuts to school spending, and is opposed by the teacher’s union, and therefore is a step backward for our kids, that’s certainly negative campaigning. But assuming each of the arguments leading to the conclusion is correct, there’s nothing immoral or undemocratic about saying that. In fact, if someone isn’t doing some negative campaigning in order to draw distinctions between candidates or parties, they’re doing a disservice to the voter. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/10 "2010-06-14T19:43:28Z")
Of course it is. If you throw enough mud, you are bound to get enough to stick to have made the effort worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/11 "2010-06-14T20:07:32Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Why is it morally and democratically correct? > > If I say my opponent voted against the education bill, called for cuts to school spending, and is opposed by the teacher’s union, and therefore is a step backward for our kids, that’s certainly negative campaigning. But assuming each of the arguments leading to the conclusion is correct, there’s nothing immoral or undemocratic about saying that. > > In fact, if someone isn’t doing some negative campaigning in order to draw distinctions between candidates or parties, they’re doing a disservice to the voter. I wouldn’t say that is “negative campaigning”. If your campaigns main focus was on what makes your opponent a bad candidate rather on what policies you have or what makes you a good one, it would be what I consider negative campaigning. I withdraw the “This is obviously…” and replace that with “I think this is…” since it’s obviously not… eh… obvious. To everyone. So. If negative campaigning is more effective, and is neither less or more democratically or morally correct. What are the arguments against it? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/12 "2010-06-14T20:09:08Z")
My favourite description is that of Lyndon Johnson–may be legendary: “He was sunk in despair. He was desperate… he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to…accuse his high-riding opponent (the pig farmer) of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children… His campaign manager was shocked. ‘We can’t say that, Lyndon,’ he said. ‘It’s not true.’ ‘Of course it’s not,’ Johnson barked at him, ‘but let’s make the bastard deny it.’…” ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/13 "2010-06-14T20:19:30Z")
Negative campaigning is an effective strategic move. It tends to make an opponent respond, and directs the campaign away from other issues where a candidate may be weak. Its very effective for a candidate who has more money than his opponent because the opponent has to waste resources trying to maintain responses to counter at an equal level to the accusation. Negative campaigning also tends to diminish turnout on election day, especially for independents and infrequent voters. The candidate with the strongest ‘base’ vote will benefit from the low turnout. Negative campaigns do backfire sometimes though. They may excite the base of the opposing party, or reveal something about the nature of the candidate that is undesirable. Also, the old ‘people who live in glass houses’ adage. Negative campaigning opens the door for counter-smears which may be more effective. The recent Sestak-Spector primary is an example of a backfire. Unfortunately, a lack of response to smear tactics may be worse than the tactics themselves. Some political analysts think the lack of response from John Kerry was more damaging than the Swiftboat attacks themselves. Politics is a pretty dirty game, candidates who aren’t prepared to deal with the tactics are at an immediate disadvantage. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/14 "2010-06-15T10:50:09Z")
I believe there are serious studies about this. Iirc, focusing on issues is harder to understand and remember to voters. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/15 "2010-06-15T15:48:04Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > What party is that? Have they won any elections? > > I hate negative campaigning, but unfortunately it works or they wouldn’t use it. Yeah seriously what party is that? ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/16 "2010-06-15T16:02:21Z")
In this case it happens to be the green party, of which I am a member, but I’d rather not focus on which party but on the abstract ideas of positive vs. negative campaigning. A recap of the discussion so far: 1. Negative campaigning isn’t immoral or bad for democracy 2. Negative campaigning is easier and more effective than positive campaigning So, any reason not to run a mostly negative campaign? So far the only argument against it is that it might leave openings for even more effective counter-attacks. ---
**Author:** ![rooostra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rooostra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rooostra)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/17 "2010-06-15T16:20:39Z")
If I recall correctly from my former Political Science life, the most common result of negative campaigning is to depress voter turnout, particularlt independants. That could be woefully out of date, though, it has been a while since I’ve read any academic papers on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/18 "2010-06-15T16:37:23Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > \*Ma, Ma, where’s my Pa? > > Gone to the White House, ha ha ha.\* > > Think that was campaign mud flung at somebody…maybe Harrison…back in the day. Grover Cleveland. The first verse was the mud flung; the second verse was added by Cleveland’s supporters after the election. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/19 "2010-06-15T17:02:15Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > In this case it happens to be the green party, of which I am a member, but I’d rather not focus on which party but on the abstract ideas of positive vs. negative campaigning. > > A recap of the discussion so far: > > 1. Negative campaigning isn’t immoral or bad for democracy > 2. Negative campaigning is easier and more effective than positive campaigning > > So, any reason not to run a mostly negative campaign? So far the only argument against it is that it might leave openings for even more effective counter-attacks. 1. Who says it’s not immoral? If the negative campaign is based on lies, it’s immoral in my book. Not illegal though. Who says it’s good for democracy? If it’s based on legitimate matters relevant to the election, fine. But negative campaigns can just be a way to keep the electorate uninformed or misinformed. 2. Sometimes it’s easier or more effective, sometimes not, depending on the circumstances. Sometimes a negative campaign backfires without a counter-attack. Sometimes the voters are just sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181/20 "2010-06-16T15:11:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Remember the Swiftboaters and what they did ? It was as nasty as it could get and apparently worked. Remember the deluge of slime launched against Sarah Palin? Not only did it not work, but it backfired badly; all the Democrats had to do was wait for her to be interviewed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-dirty-negative-campaigning-effective/543181.md?page=2)