About the Socialists…Would the ‘Progressive’ Movement have put those issues I mentioned on the platform if there weren’t a great deal of support for socialists and the socialist platform? The socialists were immensely successful in that way. The main parties steal all the popular ideas from 3rd parties, thus destroying the 3rd parties chance for political participation, but also making considerable change simply by doing so.
Unfortunately, socialists had to work for years, facing imprisonment, outright slaughter, blacklisting… I thank each and every one of them for what they have given me and all other Americans.
As for everything else below that, we agree. Actually, if you search the archives, you’ll find a post by me about non-violence being superior to violence (especially in a political movement).
Oh yeah, and the use of ‘evil’ I still think is stupid.
About the Socialists…Would the ‘Progressive’ Movement have put those issues I mentioned on the platform if there weren’t a great deal of support for socialists and the socialist platform? The socialists were immensely successful in that way. The main parties steal all the popular ideas from 3rd parties, thus destroying the 3rd parties chance for political participation, but also making considerable change simply by doing so.
Unfortunately, socialists had to work for years, facing imprisonment, outright slaughter, blacklisting… I thank each and every one of them for what they have given me and all other Americans.
As for everything else below that, we agree. Actually, if you search the archives, you’ll find a post by me about non-violence being superior to violence (especially in a political movement).
Oh yeah, and the use of ‘evil’ I still think is stupid.
Originally posted by the_great_dalmuti
Here’s an article, about a group of those “crazy environmentalists,” or what more open-minded people refer to as “activists,” who used hang gliders to fly into a supposedly “secure” nuclear reactor in Australia. They hung huge posters reading “Nuclear. Never safe.” Sure, they meant to inspire fear in people, the fear that nearby neclear reactors aren’t safe. Should these hang-gliding activists be considered terrorists?
I would love to see you wear that shirt in New York or D.C. you self-righteous jackass. It will look great next to you “will work for food” shirt.
You know why no one cares what whiny environmentalists think? Because all do is bitch and moan without providing any solutions. You want people to treat the environment better? Come up with a substitute for fresh water or paper or the internal combustion engine or figure out someplace to put all the people living near the rainforests. But no, the only thing that groups like the ELF can do is disrupt power plants and destroy research centers where they figure out better ways to grow enough food to feed people. Good job.
I’m one of the people that actually is concerned that I might be a target of ALF or PETA. Ironically, I am one of the people out there trying to protect the environment. I do a lot of toxicity testing and testing on animals to determine the effect of pollutants on the environment. We use invertebrates and non-living tests whenever possible, but sometimes it can be making a long jump to use conclusions from those tests to determine risk to the environment. Very often we hurt those animals, in my case fish. It is hard to tell the effect of a chemical on a fishes gonads or liver without cutting into that fish. We do have protocols in place to ensure that we do not cause more pain to the fish than is absolutely necessary. And no, I don’t work for a chemical company - I work for an agency that polices those types. If it weren’t for tests on higher animals, we’d have no idea of the effects that birthcontrol pills are having on the environment, for example (all that estrogen doesn’t just disappear when you go pee). But I live in fear of people breaking into the lab and destroying data or letting all the animals go (possibly creating an introduced species problem) or worse, setting a bomb. Our lab has received two bomb threats in four years, although it is not clear that animal rights people or eco-terrorists were involved.