# Is "Enterprise" relying on T' Pol's breasts to save the show a bad thing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 14, 2003, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526 "2003-09-14T05:43:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/1 "2003-09-14T05:43:42Z")
I’m torn. I like seeing the shapely T’ Pol, but the half dressed Vulcan scenarios are coming off as a bit too forced lately, to the point I feel kind of cheap afterward, and the new show of the third season I saw this evening pegs a new level on the pandameter. Even if her silicone breasts can save the show… _should_ they? ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/2 "2003-09-14T06:31:41Z")
Yes. Absolutely yes. Actually, I’m all for an adult version to be released on DVD. ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/3 "2003-09-14T09:50:42Z")
If Jo Blalock couldn’t act or the character was badly written, I’d be against it, but T’Pol is funny as hell and a great contrast to the human crew members, plus Blalock plays the hell out of the role, so I’m all for the accompanying eye candy. It’s a fantastic show, the best Trek since DS9, so I hope more people start watching it, no matter what it takes. ---
**Author:** ![lesa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/34f0e0/32.png) [@lesa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesa)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/4 "2003-09-14T10:22:24Z")
It’s a mistake, because it doesn’t bring in female viewers. The only way to get the ratings they need is to bring in lots of viewers. They’re banking everything on a ploy that only appeals to half the audience. They need more. Like, you know, good stories. New life, new civilizations, all that jazz. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/5 "2003-09-14T10:28:44Z")
I don’t find her attractive. She’s just too much, and they emphasise that in a very non-Vulcan way. I felt the same as Seven of Nine. It’s just an excuse for T&A to make the geeks drool. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/6 "2003-09-14T13:32:35Z")
Using your casts beauty as a hook to get viewers who then stay because of the story is good (arguably good examples: Buffy, Alias). It when there is nothing else that it becomes a problem (I still have hope for Enterprise\*) Brian \*assuming I get to watch it. My UPN station broadcasts in name only with a 25 uW transmitter. The local Fox station carried seasons 1 & 2 (& voyager), but as far as I can tell not season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/7 "2003-09-14T13:41:33Z")
“Spring Break: Vulcans Gone Wild!” Pffft. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/8 "2003-09-14T14:06:12Z")
It wouldn’t be bad if they could think of decent excuses to show 'em, but the panda is about as ham-fisted and poorly written as anything else on the show. Example: there was no reason for her to disrobe during the “vulcanopressure” scene. And evenm if there was (and was thus moderately comfortable being topless around Trip), then she wouldn’t have cupped her breasts like that. But alas, if she was straight-up topless or hiding herself in a more plausible manner, they couldn’t have filmed the maximum allowable boobage. Example: Hoshi falls through a hole while crawling around in the air ducts. It catches her shirt in just the right place to totally rip it off. Oh, and she wasn’t wearing a bra. Come on! If you insist on showing it, at least think of good reasons why! Have stuff happen in the shower. State that Vulcans have little to no nudity taboo, per se, and sleep/meditate in the nude. Hell, low cut off-duty outfits and forcing them to run around in underwearwould be acceptable, but don’t insult my intelligence. Or I know, maybe someone could have sex! It doesn’t help taht I don’t really find T’pol that attractive. Hoshi’s better, but even harder to skank up, due to her character. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/9 "2003-09-14T14:14:28Z")
Panda is fine, but it won’t make or break the show. We want good story telling. And hot monkey sex. ---
**Author:** ![Fibber\_McGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a6a055/32.png) [@Fibber\_McGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fibber_McGee)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/10 "2003-09-14T14:25:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Is “Enterprise” relying on T’ Pol’s breasts to save the show a bad thing? Yes. I mean, they’re nice breasts and all, but nice enough to save a boring POS show like Enterprise? I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/11 "2003-09-14T16:34:24Z")
I don’t care if they save the show, I’m waiting for mid 3rd season when they get desperate and turn it into the T’Pol and Hoshi Panda Hour. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/12 "2003-09-14T17:09:22Z")
Damn it! You can’t have a thread title like this with no links to pictures! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/13 "2003-09-14T17:32:50Z")
Well. Season 2 is just starting transmission on terrestrial channels in the UK (literally so, the end-of-season-one recap is on screen as I type) … so, when do I get to find out what all these “panda” references are about? ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/14 "2003-09-14T17:58:51Z")
Uh, panda? ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/15 "2003-09-14T18:01:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > \*\*Uh, panda? \*\* panda = pandering to… well you know. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/16 "2003-09-14T18:04:43Z")
We should really have an Enterprise FAQ. Panda refers to Berman and Braga pandering to the geeky sex-starved fanboy in all Trekkies by giving us gratuitous scenes with Naked Hoshi, Trip’s Undies, and Vulcan Massage Techniques. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/17 "2003-09-14T20:24:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tangent \* > \*\*Damn it! You can’t have a thread title like this with no links to pictures! \*\* Will [this](http://www.startrek.nl/images/maxim-blalock02.jpg) do? 😃 (link goes to Maxim cover, no nudity) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/18 "2003-09-15T00:58:29Z")
I tune in to Star Trek to look at boobs the same way I watch porno for the plot and characterization. Look, if I want to see boobs, I’ve got the internet. If I’m watching an hour-long drama, I want to see good characters in good stories. If they’re naked, that’s great. But if the plot’s boring and the acting sucks, I might as well be watching _Butt Sluts 2_. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/19 "2003-09-15T01:44:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tangent \* > \*\*Damn it! You can’t have a thread title like this with no links to pictures! \*\* Well… if you insist - [You did an adequate job with the Vulcupressure last time Trip. Will you assist me again? I shall reciprocate.](http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/newpics/JB_newscan03.jpg) [The Andorian slave keeper has stolen my clothing Captain.](http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/jolenemax02.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526/20 "2003-09-15T01:44:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tangent \* > \*\*Damn it! You can’t have a thread title like this with no links to pictures! \*\* Well… if you insist - [You did an adequate job with the Vulcupressure last time Trip. Will you assist me again? I shall reciprocate.](http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/newpics/JB_newscan03.jpg) [The Andorian slave keeper has stolen my clothing Captain.](http://www.realm-o-tigger.com/tbwc/jolene2/jolenemax02.jpg) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-enterprise-relying-on-t-pols-breasts-to-save-the-show-a-bad-thing/201526.md?page=2)