# is evolution a fact?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [August 19, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-evolution-a-fact/593375 "2011-08-19T21:30:29Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-evolution-a-fact/593375/94 "2011-08-23T14:23:52Z")

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> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> Always seemed to me that math was the language of the universe.
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> When prying into the fundamental reality of things the bottom line for doing so is math.

Math is the language we use to describe the universe. The universe doesn’t “care” about math. It’s a human construct.

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> I have been told by physicists (one of my brothers is a physicist) that at the end of the day words fail them when explaining certain concepts and if I _really_ want to understand what is happening I need to understand the math.

I studied physics, and I agree. But does that say anything fundamental about the universe itself, or our ability to understand it?

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> Hell, I think that gold record we sent on Voyager to “talk” to aliens if they found it used math to communicate. Obviously an alien will not know English but presumably math is universal and they’d understand that.

Only in the sense that sentient beings should understand this. Again, the universe just is. It doesn’t “need” math.

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