# Is Fox and Friends really as dim-witted as Jon Stewart makes it out to be? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 24, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286 "2010-08-24T13:43:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/21 "2010-08-24T17:59:45Z")
Why did Gretchen Carlson have to Google the word “ignoramus”? It would have been easier to just look in a mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/22 "2010-08-24T18:02:46Z")
Gretchen Carlson is apparently a former Miss America, but I don’t know how. I don’t see her as attractive at all. She’s dumpy and has no neck, stumpy legs, blocky face, no figure. She’s just got nothing going on. She’s not hideous. but she’s completely average looking. The empty head doesn’t make her any more attractive either. Maybe she was hot when she was young. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/23 "2010-08-24T18:12:25Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I can’t stomach he show for more than a few minutes at a time, but from what I’ve seen, they really are that stupid. That Gretchen Carlson (the one who had to Google “ignoramus” and still got it wrong) is quite possibly the single dumbest person in all of cable news. Almost unbelievably vacuous at times, and incredibly self-righteous and smug at the same time. A living example of Poe’s Law. > > > > Doocey is kind of a dumbass too, though not to Carlson’s level. The other guy, Kilmeade, I think is of normal intelligence, but no genius and he offers no insight. He’s just kind of a chair filler and guy to introduce segments and shoot them to breaks. > > I really can’t tell if they are that freaking stupid or just such complete sellouts that they just don’t care how they appear as long as they get on TV and make money. Jon Stewart, in addition to frequently exposing how stupid they act, once did a segment exposing how they often pretend to not know things they clearly do in order to appear as stupid as their viewers. It was mostly about Gretchen Carlson. I can’t remember if it was particularly good or insightful or just funny. The only part I remember was them exposing her extensive academic background and implying she probably knew the meaning of the words she pretended to look up (Like ignoramus). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/24 "2010-08-24T18:16:15Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I think maybe we shouldn’t let it get around too much that she’s from here. I think the “Carlson” kind of gives it away. Is she any relation to ol’ Arne? ---
**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/25 "2010-08-24T18:26:38Z")
Gretchen: ‘I had to Google the word. It means ignorant lawyers’ ::: /Seinfeld’s Kenny Bania reference ::: “That’s gold, Jerry! GOLD!” ::: Seinfeld’s Kenny Bania reference/ ::: ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/26 "2010-08-24T18:33:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The other guy, Kilmeade, I think is of normal intelligence, but no genius and he offers no insight. He’s just kind of a chair filler and guy to introduce segments and shoot them to breaks. Heh. Stephen Colbert always refers to him as “brown-haired guy who’s not Steve Doocey,” which is pretty accurate. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/27 "2010-08-24T18:38:05Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > I’m pretty conservative but I can’t stand to watch 5 minutes of Fox and Friends. Or Fox News in general. I don’t know where you live, but if you run for office I’ll donate to your campaign. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/28 "2010-08-24T18:39:28Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > I think maybe we shouldn’t let it get around too much that she’s from here. > > I think the “Carlson” kind of gives it away. Is she any relation to ol’ Arne? Carlson / Peterson / Nelson / Anderson are like Smith / Doe / Jones everywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/29 "2010-08-24T18:42:43Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > > [@cosmosdan](#): > > > > very glad to hear it. I hope yopu get to occasionally tell your fellow conservatives to stop being taken in by those greedy lying scumbags. > > It’s hard; people on either side are eager to look for things to get outraged about. But when you know the facts things usually aren’t as they initially are reported. Yep. My favorite conservative friends are willing to listen and consider the facts and realize you have to look at more than once source to get a fuller view of anny issue. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/30 "2010-08-24T18:46:30Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > The other guy, Kilmeade, I think is of normal intelligence, but no genius and he offers no insight. He’s just kind of a chair filler and guy to introduce segments and shoot them to breaks. > > Heh. Stephen Colbert always refers to him as “brown-haired guy who’s not Steve Doocey,” which is pretty accurate. I find that to be excellent, and have started referring to him as “the brown haired guy.” I also refer to Steve as Douchey. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/31 "2010-08-24T19:01:20Z")
I believe I once labeled them here in another therad as: Steve “The Mince” Doocey Gretchen “Hey, You Can Almost See My Twat” Carlson Brian “I’m Just Happy To Be Here” Kilmeade. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/32 "2010-08-24T19:01:55Z")
Brian “I’m Just Happy To Be Here” Kilmeade. Ha! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/33 "2010-08-24T19:42:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Gretchen Carlson is apparently a former Miss America, but I don’t know how. I don’t see her as attractive at all. . To be fair, she used to be [hot](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fa-NqGm0-Lk/SX3Nv1h9-GI/AAAAAAAAKtU/2rCstl5u5Kc/s400/gretchen+carlson.jpg). Hasn’t aged well. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/34 "2010-08-24T20:04:59Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > Gretchen Carlson is apparently a former Miss America, but I don’t know how. I don’t see her as attractive at all. . > > To be fair, she used to be [hot](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fa-NqGm0-Lk/SX3Nv1h9-GI/AAAAAAAAKtU/2rCstl5u5Kc/s400/gretchen+carlson.jpg). > > Hasn’t aged well. Wow. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![silk1976](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@silk1976](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silk1976)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/35 "2010-08-24T20:20:48Z")
Funny thing is I saw the OP, and figured ‘F&F probably isn’t quite _that_ dumb - I love the Daily Show, but I’m sure it also takes things out of context’. And then I read the comments here and realized that maybe Jon Stewart is more on target than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/36 "2010-08-24T20:28:26Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > > [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > > > To be fair, she used to be [hot](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fa-NqGm0-Lk/SX3Nv1h9-GI/AAAAAAAAKtU/2rCstl5u5Kc/s400/gretchen+carlson.jpg). > > > > Hasn’t aged well. > > Wow. :eek: In case you’re serious, that’s not her. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/37 "2010-08-24T21:02:29Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > > [@joebuck20](#): > > > > Wow. :eek: > > In case you’re serious, that’s not her. And to complete this, for those interested, it’s apparently somebody named [Tara Conner](http://doctorsofpopculture.blogspot.com/2007/05/tara-conner.html). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/38 "2010-08-24T21:12:31Z")
I thought the Terminators got her… ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/39 "2010-08-24T21:14:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I thought the Terminators got her… No she managed to elude them in both movies. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286/40 "2010-08-24T21:23:08Z")
It’s just her face, but [here she is as Miss America](http://www.kevincharnas.com/uploaded_images/gretchen-carlson-774330.jpg). eta: oh my god, wikipedia says that as a child, she was babysat by Michele Bachmann. That explains a lot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-and-friends-really-as-dim-witted-as-jon-stewart-makes-it-out-to-be/551286.md?page=3)