You left out The Enquirer, Star, and Globe which are pretty much in line with Fox News on content and quality.
ETA: And circulation
I am becoming fascinated by Foxnews, more than I should, but I can’t help myself. My jaw drops constantly on the shit they say.
I was watching the Glen Beck show where Judge Napolitano was a guest host.
I guess Glen was on vacation.
Anyway, first he complains about trying to raise taxes on the rich and then he complains about the debt. If you have to spend money on three wars, someone needs to pay for it. The very rich people who are making money on the war, pay little tax on the profits they make from the wars. You’d think, these people would be a bit more supportive of paying more taxes, considering they make money of the wars with which tax payer dollars are paid.
Then he had a guest on who spoke about how much the US owes China, but interestingly his guest says not all countries owes money to China, indeed, China runs a deficit with Germany. In other words, China owes money to Germany. And why? Apparently it has something to do with how Obama kowtowing to the Chinese.
It obviously couldn’t be that German Unions don’t allow German companies to export their jobs to China. Germany exports more products to China than it imports because they didn’t sell out their workforce who still create quality products with a high demand world wide.
I agree with the sentiment but not the reasoning.
I don’t think the stodgy labour laws of mainland europe are much of an asset. I think the main reason that Germany is a net exporter to China is that much of german industry is focused on the kind of luxury and precision goods that chinese firms don’t emulate very well (yet).
But IMO, if you believe that the current high unemployment in the US is because of a simple job transfer to china, fox news has won. You’ve subscribed to an economic model where every other country is trying to steal your jobs and America would be rich if only the rest of the world were poor.
Is Glenn Beck part of Fox News? I thought he was just a commentator, similar to Keith Olbermann when he was on MSNBC.
Say what you will about Fox’s actual news program, but I think it’s important to keep commentary programs separate from news shows when discussing things like this.
Why? FOX itself is utterly incestuous about it. Beck, Orly and Hannity will say some utterly moronic bullshit and then the next day the “News” portion of the channel will discuss the same moronic bullshit.
I agree, in principle, but Fox is particularly egregious about blurring the line between commentary and actual news. And by “blurring” I actually mean blasting it to smithereens with a howitzer. This video exposes this problem quite effectively.
Ah, but not at all ! News portions of Fox will accurately report that “some sources say” the moronic bullshit. It’s 100% straight up journalism. 
Well, I watched about two-thirds of that thing, and really all I saw was Stewart - in his inimitable self-congratulatory way - claiming that the commentators were really the news guys because they talk about events in the news and nobody knows who the real Fox news people are anyway. I did notice that he seemed to make fun of the Fox morning show as being faux-news but said nothing about The Today Show or morning shows that talk about events in the news. And he made fun of Beck and O’Reilly as faux-news guys but said nothing about Olbermann or Maddow who also talk about events in the news. And he said nothing about The View, or Joy Behar’s show on HLN (i.e., CNN but they don’t want to own it).
The airwaves are filled with pro-left/anti-right programming, and the only things that exist to counter it are Rush Limbaugh and the Fox network. So Fox loads up its programming with strong-personality guys to deliver it’s commentator content, and then they are the ones who most people on the left know about because they’re the ones saying things that people on the left find offensive. That still doesn’t mean that there’s no qualitative difference between Fox’s news programming vs. it’s commentator programming.
Fox’s news shows deliver the news even if most of the country’s liberals don’t know who their personalities are, and at least on their web site they do a pretty strightforward job of it. To me, the fact that there is some interplay between issues discussed on Fox’s commentator shows and its news shows to me is no different than NBC News reporting on issues raised during The Today Show.
The mainstream media has been doing that for decades. It’s the bread and butter of their political and investigative reportage.
As pointed out, the left has no control of the agenda on the levels like the right has over Fox news. The problem is not to me that Fox could be offensive, the real problem is that they lie to their viewers. (See post #79)
I don’t even know what the mainstream media is or does. And even if they did I don’t think a tu quoque handwaves the bullshit away or excuses it any.
But I do find it amusing that Fox TV’s ostensible line is “we’ve got news shows, and then there’s opinion shows and the two are separate, the viewers know which is which and that there’s a clear line between the two”.
When of course the “news” show pick the opinion shows’ talking points right back up and talk as if the “sources” in question were, I don’t know, rational and unbiased people who actually knew what the fuck they were talking about instead of mouthbreathing hacks from their own damn channel. The opinion shows thus become the news, and any assertion on their part that there’s a line between the two is utterly misleading and meaningless.
You are as always dead wrong in your analysis. All major news is right wing ,pro corporate news. Daly is on Comedy Central. Maddow is on a small cable station. Fox says it has the biggest audiences. Wouldn’t that tip the scales to the right.
The rest of news is corporate ,anti union , pro war crap with very little differences from station to station. PBS pisses the rightys off because it presents the news neutrally. Every segment has a left winger and a solid right wing counterpart. I suppose most people are not used to that. They see Fox with 5 right wing loudmouths shouting down a so called liberal who is actually a bought off lefty who is now a righty . Fox is repulsive.
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I agree with the sentiment but not the reasoning.
I don’t think the stodgy labour laws of mainland europe are much of an asset. I think the main reason that Germany is a net exporter to China is that much of german industry is focused on the kind of luxury and precision goods that chinese firms don’t emulate very well (yet).
But IMO, if you believe that the current high unemployment in the US is because of a simple job transfer to china, fox news has won. You’ve subscribed to an economic model where every other country is trying to steal your jobs and America would be rich if only the rest of the world were poor.
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Good point, US jobs were mainly exported to Mexico, but a few did also go to the Far East.
When Japan was in the position China is now back in the '70’s, meaning fast growing economy, there was a turning point where Japanese products often showed superior quality. But the difference is that Japanese products became competitive threats with their own brand names. Toyota, Nissan and Sony, to name a few, certainly hurt US industry, but that was under free capitalism. I have no problem with that. But look at US brands today. There seems to be very little made in the USA, a vast number of US branded products show they are made elsewhere, and a vast number of those say China.
As for the Europeans, they may expand across borders, building new manufacturing facilities, but they would never allow a wholesale uprooting of an industry and moving it off shore. I mean the results of this is obvious in places like Detroit.
Anyway, it was a bit of a hi-jack, and I did counter a Foxnews opinion which I felt was obviously in error. I probably should have picked another topic such as justification of torture or something which seems to be the main topic of the day.
I’m new to Foxnews so excuse my ignorance on this. I don’t know if they are showing selective programing here in Singapore, but I am not sure which of these shows are “News” shows. It all seems the same to me. Pure opinion.
The Daily Show is on Comedy Central, yes, but Comedy Central is owned by Viacom, which is just behind Fox News’s Newscorp in terms of size, and NBC Universal, the parent company of MSNBC, is a giant media conglomerate. We’re not talking Radio Pacifica here.
You apparently missed the part where he showed how topics that appeared on the “news” portion of Fox News originated in the commentary. This happens a lot on Fox News, and I challenge anyone to find any other news source that does that sort of thing as often.
I’ve never seen any other news channel that abuses the distinction between commentary and news the way Fox does.
But you really don’t see any issue with the personalities and programs that are promoted by far the most on Fox News are all commentary, and not news? Once again, I don’t see any other news channel going as far.
I agree. A pity FoxNews doesn’t. To quote The Daily Showagain:
Germany generally ascribes their current export success to the loosening of labour laws made under the previous Schroder government. Much opposed by the labour unions. Also to lower wage increases than most other EU countries.
Just want to point out that the BBC is only one of three sources of broadcast news. Not counting the many on satellite from Fox, CCN, Sky News to Al Jazeerah.
The point is that the flagship news shows are very right-leaning; even on PBS. I don’t have it handy, but somebody did a count of how many pro- and anti-war guests were interviewed on the big network news shows during the run-up to GWB’s invasion of Iraq, and it was over ten to one pro-war, even on MacNeil/Lehrer.
More recently, the big four “meet the press” type shows last Sunday morning had Cheney, Rumsfeld, Giuliani, Rice, and several other former Bushies talking about the benefits of torture and how Bush should get most of the credit for killing Bin Laden, while the only prominent Dem was John Kerry.
Sunday morning news talk has a bunch of republican think tank “experts” every damn week. How can Kristol be an expert, he is always wrong, smug and nasty.
It’s striking to me how many people who were right about the Iraq War lost their jobs, and how many people who were dead wrong are still on TV every week as experts.