# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2021 "2018-06-28T13:48:07Z")
> [@SmartAlecCat](#): > > [‘I quit’: Fox News regular from Miami dumps network over immigration coverage](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article213925674.html) Here’s a link to the actual letter that can be accessed without a Linked In account. > **[An Open Letter to Fox News. - Bruce Turkel](https://bruceturkel.com/blog/an-open-letter-to-fox-news/)** > > First, let me share a guilty admission. Your network has been very very good to me. The 400 plus appearances I've made on Fox News and Fox Business have helped me generate lots of keynote speaking opportunities and helped me sell a bunch of books. My... ---
**Author:** ![SmartAlecCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SmartAlecCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAlecCat)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2022 "2018-06-30T13:30:56Z")
[New Fox chief cracks down on inflammatory statements](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/27/suzanne-scott-fox-panelists-680625) > [@](#): > > Scott told the producers that they would be held accountable for anything said on their air, and that it was their job to head off any inappropriate remarks, according to two people with knowledge of the meeting. > […] > At the meeting, Scott emphasized to producers that, if something incendiary is said on their show, it is their job to get in the host’s ear and make sure they push back in the moment, according to the people familiar with the meeting. > […] > The point of Scott’s meeting was not so much to scold, according to the two people with knowledge of it, but to identify the problem and attempt to address it. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2023 "2018-07-14T02:32:03Z")
Gregg Jarrett is the Fox News legal analyst, appearing frequently on prime time shows to, um, analyze legal stuff. He has a book coming out in a few days, an objective review of the Mueller probe called _The Russia Hoax: The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton and Frame Donald Trump_. On\* Hannity\* tonight, analyzing the new Mueller indictments, he said, “The American public, if they’re watching CNN or MSNBC, they’re not getting the truth, they’re being deliberately misled…if you really want to get the truth, don’t watch those networks, because they’re lying to the American people about what really happened today.” What do CNN and MSNBC lie about? Why, how corrupt the FBI and Justice Department are, of course: “I wouldn’t put anything past the FBI and DOJ when it comes to unscrupulous and probably illegal behavior.” Fair and Balanced. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2024 "2018-07-14T03:22:04Z")
It looks like Fox has made the decision to sink or swim with Trump. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out…we’ll either have 2 huge segments of the public with diametrically opposed versions of reality; or they’ll become the Tinfoil Hat Network. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2025 "2018-07-14T05:14:59Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It looks like Fox has made the decision to sink or swim with Trump. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out…we’ll either have 2 huge segments of the public with diametrically opposed versions of reality; or they’ll become the Tinfoil Hat Network. I’m afraid that ship has sailed. They’ve spent years promoting anti-Obama and anti-Hillary conspiracy theories that were conclusively refuted, and remained #1 in cable “news.” Hannity (for one) is STILL flogging all kinds of crap about Hillary giving away our uranium and the like. People had O’Reilly dead to rights about lying about all kinds of things in his career (e.g. dodging bullets in a Buenos Aires riot, and being on the guy’s front porch when someone involved in the JFK assassination killed himself with a shotgun), and all he did was call it fake news, and his ratings actually increased (his sexual aggression brought him down, though). Meanwhile, Brian Williams lost his NBC anchor position about two hours after he was caught in a much less blatant embellishment. I guess it’s possible that its core viewers will all die of old age pretty soon. Nothing short of that will help. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2026 "2018-07-14T08:21:44Z")
Yep; this is the strength of their business model. If you don’t care about self-consistency you can back whatever populist shit. So if, one day, trump becomes persona non grata to all but his most rabid supporters, FOX will just run stories backing Pence and blaming everything on Trump (correctly) and other networks and the Dems (incorrectly). ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2027 "2018-07-14T09:56:24Z")
So, did they report anything about the demonstration in London or the Trump Baby ? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2028 "2018-07-14T14:32:41Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Yep; this is the strength of their business model. If you don’t care about self-consistency you can back whatever populist shit. > > So if, one day, trump becomes persona non grata to all but his most rabid supporters, FOX will just run stories backing Pence and blaming everything on Trump (correctly) and other networks and the Dems (incorrectly). Ah, there you go. My assumption was that they were tied to Trump and would sink with Trump, but you’re absolutely right: no one said they had to be consistent, ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2029 "2018-07-14T20:49:25Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > So, did they report anything about the demonstration in London or the Trump Baby ? I believe the headline on [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com) was something to the effect of “Failed demonstration in London” or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2030 "2018-07-14T22:03:57Z")
Well, more than half of the residents of London weren’t there. So, total victory on the popular vote side of things. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2031 "2018-07-15T02:52:37Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I believe the headline on [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com) was something to the effect of “Failed demonstration in London” or something like that. “[Trump Supporters turn out in London a day after protests](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/14/trump-supporters-turn-out-in-london-day-after-protests.html)” was at the top of the front page; within the copy is a link to a story that describes the Saturday protests as “rowdy”. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2032 "2018-07-15T20:47:39Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It looks like Fox has made the decision to sink or swim with Trump. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out…we’ll either have 2 huge segments of the public with diametrically opposed versions of reality; or they’ll become the Tinfoil Hat Network. Their viewers oppose liberal devils and that enemy will always be in abundant supply. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2033 "2018-07-16T19:45:41Z")
OK, this is interesting… [Fox News can’t seem to find anything good to say about the Helsinki Summit](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-meeting-putin-dubbed-treason-summit-173450979.html). And some downright negative comments. Admittedly, the source is Yahoo which is not fair & balanced and may be guilty of cherry-picking. But the presence of anything anti-Trump coming out of Fox is noteworthy. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2034 "2018-07-16T20:23:48Z")
I just posted substantially this in the “Trump Putin summer summit? Aye!” thread but I can’t remember how to quote my own post! So: I took one for the team at lunch today and tuned to Fox ‘News’. While CNN and MSNBC had continuing coverage of the Helsinki fiasco, including less than complimentary interviews with Senators McCain, Corker, and Flake (all ‘R’s by the way) and commentary by CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Fox was showing a lengthy video of Lisa Page walking down a hallway, with voiceover about her ‘grilling’ and mentions of her suspicious email exchanges. Then an interview with Darrel Issa where he called the FBI untrustworthy and… Well at that point I gave up and turned it off. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2035 "2018-07-16T21:10:36Z")
You took in five whole minutes! Wow! I can do seven, not counting commercials, but then have to chew some gum to get my jaw unclenched. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2036 "2018-07-16T21:51:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You took in five whole minutes! Wow! I can do seven, not counting commercials, but then have to chew some gum to get my jaw unclenched. Tonight I’m planning to try for a personal record, 10 minutes - all in the interest of science, you understand. But it will be at home, in my recliner (that has survived fist poundings inflicted during many football games that weren’t going my way) and with the dogs put outside so my screaming doesn’t frighten them. Oh, and only after I’ve consumed two tall Bloody Maria’s (with double tequila and extra Tabasco) and while holding another, in an unbreakable glass. Did I mention that part? Yeah, going for ten! Wish me luck! ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2037 "2018-07-16T21:52:56Z")
And people wonder why I drink. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2038 "2018-07-16T22:44:04Z")
Don’t throw out the baby with the bongwater! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2039 "2018-07-17T00:22:16Z")
Ten minutes of Tucker. It was all for peace. I don’t…can’t… ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2040 "2018-07-17T00:36:36Z")
Back in 2011, I used to have a hellacious commute. I carpooled with a guy who listened to the local Fox radio affiliate. God, it was painful. Two hours each morning and afternoon, listening to the stupidest, most hateful talk radio. It was so infuriating that I couldn’t even nap through it, even during the 5:00 AM drive down an empty interstate. I just sat there fuming. I played NPR on my driving days. I like to think that listening to a real news outfit, even on alternating days, may have had some impact on him. Like that Star Trek episode where they capture a Borg and, after debating his fate, release him back to the collective, eventually learning that he had absorbed the Federation’s values and led a resistance movement within the Borg. Maybe that happened with this guy. But I doubt it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=103)