# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2363 "2019-05-09T01:40:29Z")
[Fox & Friends is very impressed with Trump for reportedly losing over $1 billion](https://theweek.com/speedreads/840120/fox--friends-impressed-trump-reportedly-losing-over-1-billion) To nobody’s surprise, Fox and Friends still think that Drumpf had a keen eye for business back in the 80s. > [@](#): > > “He’s a bold businessman, which is chronicled here,” Brian Kilmeade said in response to the story. Kilmeade went on to argue that the article shouldn’t “surprise anybody” and that the business practices described in the story “make sense” because Trump wanted to “take chances.” He added, “And guess what? Not all of us win on everything we buy.” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2364 "2019-05-09T14:48:34Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > [Fox & Friends is very impressed with Trump for reportedly losing over $1 billion](https://theweek.com/speedreads/840120/fox--friends-impressed-trump-reportedly-losing-over-1-billion) > > To nobody’s surprise, Fox and Friends still think that Drumpf had a keen eye for business back in the 80s. They are definitely jumping all over the “brilliant businessman” boat: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/iV72LXJ4lnM/maxresdefault.jpg "'Impressive’: How Fox News is talking about Trump’s taxes") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV72LXJ4lnM) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2365 "2019-05-18T21:40:11Z")
This is new and addresses the Fox News apologetica about how there’s a division between news and opinion at the network. It’s shocking, I know, but it turns out that’s complete bullshit. > [@](#): > > Fox News likes to tout the “hard news” side of its operation, setting up a false distinction between its right-wing prime-time hosts and the members of its news team as a defense against those who flag the propaganda, lies, conspiracy theories, and bigotry that pervade the network. But a Media Matters investigation found that the “news side” isn’t as inoculated as the network claims. We looked at Fox News and Fox Business programming for the first four months of 2019, and we documented examples of the “news” division spreading misinformation on air every single day between January 1 and April 30. > > [https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/05/13/fox-news-lie/223683](https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2019/05/13/fox-news-lie/223683) Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2366 "2019-05-20T08:46:44Z")
I remember the Daily Show making the same observation some years ago, with Jon Stewart quipping that the news and entertainment content on FoxNews were as easily differentiated as the individual ingredients of soup. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2367 "2019-05-20T16:58:59Z")
The news/opinion is and has always been bs. The basic strategy is that some “opinion” cunt spews nonsense, then the “news” guys report that “sources” have been saying that nonsense. It’s pretty easy to find a source across the hall, you know ? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2368 "2019-05-20T17:12:24Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > The news/opinion is and has always been bs. The basic strategy is that some “opinion” cunt spews nonsense, then the “news” guys report that “sources” have been saying that nonsense. > It’s pretty easy to find a source across the hall, you know ? Are you talking about Fox News, or all news outlets? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2369 "2019-05-21T11:31:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you talking about Fox News, or all news outlets? Most news outlets these days will pick up on internet buzz and report on it, but FoxNews seems to excel at using “people are saying” as an excuse to repeat something when the “people” that are “saying” whatever it is are also FoxNews. I mean, it is true that some have said that it’s likely that Tucker Carlson is a pedophile with a tiny penis because I’ve said it, but that doesn’t justify reporting it as news. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2370 "2019-05-21T11:41:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Most news outlets these days will pick up on internet buzz and report on it, but FoxNews seems to excel at using “people are saying” as an excuse to repeat something when the “people” that are “saying” whatever it is are also FoxNews. > > I mean, it is true that some have said that it’s likely that Tucker Carlson is a pedophile with a tiny penis because I’ve said it, but that doesn’t justify reporting it as news. Now that’s a cover-up that needs to be exposed. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2371 "2019-05-28T10:41:19Z")
I’m sure there are already thousands of examples like this, but [here are Fox&Friends taking Buttigieg’s remarks out of context.](https://youtu.be/u0p-CQIVMDY?t=365) ---
**Author:** ![SirRay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@SirRay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirRay)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2372 "2019-05-28T17:49:50Z")
It’s over for Fox News Cels - Donald is dallying with One America News more and more nowadays… [“Trump Embraces Right-Wing One America News Network to Make Fox News Jealous”](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-embraces-right-wing-one-america-news-network-to-make-fox-news-jealous) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2373 "2019-05-31T18:24:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president. > > “I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before,” she said. “I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated.” > > [NBC News](https://www.alternet.org/2019/05/this-quote-from-a-trump-voter-on-the-mueller-report-shows-how-deeply-right-wing-media-has-warped-its-viewers-reality/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark) Although it doesn’t impugn Fox News specifically, I think it’s pretty obvious what cable TV outlet this Trump supporter is watching. Once more, with feeling: The issue with Fox News isn’t the bias, it’s the lies. And since the Trump presidency started, the lies have become more brazen and accountability has become even less likely. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2374 "2019-05-31T18:37:58Z")
Accountability in the GOP was revealed as a fiction back in the '80s when Reagan got away with “[I don’t recall](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-02-23-9001160085-story.html)”. FFS, they practically applauded how ‘clever’ it was of him. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2375 "2019-05-31T18:41:55Z")
> [@SirRay](#): > > It’s over for Fox News Cels - Donald is dallying with One America News more and more nowadays… > [“Trump Embraces Right-Wing One America News Network to Make Fox News Jealous”](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-embraces-right-wing-one-america-news-network-to-make-fox-news-jealous) Well, Trump knows he doesn’t need Fox. I mean, he did just proclaim that he got himself elected, with no help from anyone. If anything, he’s the one who’s been helping Fox (is prolly what he thinks). So of course it makes sense that he’s now playing two news networks against each other: it’s what he does. He tries to create chaos and look for an opening for himself to gain leverage or money (which is really just another form of leverage to him). The thing is, I don’t think he really wants Rupert Murdoch as an enemy; I doubt Trump’s really thought that through. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2376 "2019-05-31T23:50:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Well, Trump knows he doesn’t need Fox. I mean, he did just proclaim that he got himself elected, with no help from anyone. If anything, he’s the one who’s been helping Fox (is prolly what he thinks). So of course it makes sense that he’s now playing two news networks against each other: it’s what he does. He tries to create chaos and look for an opening for himself to gain leverage or money (which is really just another form of leverage to him). > > The thing is, I don’t think he really wants Rupert Murdoch as an enemy; I doubt Trump’s really thought that through. Any time I see a sentence that implies Trump thinks, I wonder what evidence was used to make that determination. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2377 "2019-06-01T01:29:34Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Any time I see a sentence that implies Trump thinks, I wonder what evidence was used to make that determination. He breathes, he eats, he moves around, makes nearly-coherent mouth noises, all of which indicates that there must be some amount of neural activity. Maybe some of that leaks over into his prefrontal cortex now and again. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2378 "2019-06-01T01:36:47Z")
Circumstantial evidence at best, also assumes facts not entered into evidence. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2379 "2019-06-01T04:39:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > He breathes, he eats, he moves around, makes nearly-coherent mouth noises, all of which indicates that there must be some amount of neural activity. So did Terri Schiavo. Her brain was liquefied and half the size it should have been when they performed an autopsy. Neural activity =/= Thinking. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2380 "2019-06-01T05:05:22Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > So did Terri Schiavo. She did not move around on her own or make semi-parsable mouth noises. He does appear to have the ability to do those things. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2381 "2019-06-01T06:01:43Z")
‘I Tweet, therefore, I am.’ Donald J Trump, King of Earth (Future) CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2382 "2019-06-01T16:44:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > She did not move around on her own or make semi-parsable mouth noises. He does appear to have the ability to do those things. Terri Schiavo didn’t have Putin’s hand up her ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=120)