# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 121
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2403 "2019-07-16T03:43:11Z")
> **[Fox co-host defends Trump's racist tweets: "He didn't say go there permanently"](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/foxs-katie-pavlich-defends-trumps-racist-tweets-he-didnt-say-go-there-permanently-he-said)** > > From the July 15 edition of Fox News' Outnumbered:  > [@](#): > > Fox’s Katie Pavlich defends Trump’s racist tweets: “He didn’t say go there permanently. He said go there, fix the problem, come back.” :smack: I will have to agree with one of the commenters there: “Any CEO of a public company tweeting the stuff Trump did on Sunday would have lost his job on Monday.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2404 "2019-07-16T03:48:57Z")
In [this recent installment](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cnn-antifa-ice-glorified), Faux strives to convince the reader that CNN ran a piece some while back which “glorified” the individual who was killed by police while throwing incendiary devices at buses in the ICE detention center parking lot. Glorified him because there is a brief glimpse of him around the 4-minute mark. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2405 "2019-07-16T05:05:34Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Hope you’re sitting down… I am not surprised that a Fox and Friends employee was pandering his other business on the show, (or that that business might have been dishonest). I would still tend to leave personal peccadilloes out of this thread, but that is a personal view and not the view of a Moderator. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2406 "2019-07-16T05:09:18Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/07/15/Foxs-Katie-Pavlich-defends-Trumps-racist-tweets-He-didnt-say-go-there-permanently-He-said-/224213](https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/07/15/Foxs-Katie-Pavlich-defends-Trumps-racist-tweets-He-didnt-say-go-there-permanently-He-said-/224213) > > > [@](#): > > > > Fox’s Katie Pavlich defends Trump’s racist tweets: “He didn’t say go there permanently. He said go there, fix the problem, come back.” Well, that explains it. Trumps massive ignorance of Geography simply prevented him from realizing that they were already doing exactly what he told them to do: trying to fix the problems in the country from where they originated. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2407 "2019-07-16T05:45:07Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I am not surprised that a Fox and Friends employee was pandering his other business on the show, (or that that business might have been dishonest). > I would still tend to leave personal peccadilloes out of this thread, but that is a personal view and not the view of a Moderator. The title is “Is Fox News really all that bad?” So, when it’s revealed that a F&F host… one who marketed his investment firm on the show itself, thereby potentially duping the networks own viewers… was recently arrested for financial fraud, I think it fits the confines of the thread. In fact, this is not just another tick in the “yes” column, it’s a new kind of fucked-upness, right? Even for Fox? Has any other host marketed an (alleged) financial fraud on Fox News viewers for the host’s own personal benefit? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2408 "2019-07-16T17:47:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The title is “Is Fox News really all that bad?” So, when it’s revealed that a F&F host… one who marketed his investment firm on the show itself, thereby potentially duping the networks own viewers… was recently arrested for financial fraud, I think it fits the confines of the thread. > > In fact, this is not just another tick in the “yes” column, it’s a new kind of fucked-upness, right? Even for Fox? Has any other host marketed an (alleged) financial fraud on Fox News viewers for the host’s own personal benefit? Isn’t this the Fox News business plan? Pushing frauds and lies for their own personal profit? It’s why the network was started by Rupert Murdoch, isn’t it? Was Bill O’Reilly doing something different? Glenn Beck? Tucker Carlson? Gretchen Carlson? Megyn Kelly? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2409 "2019-07-16T18:06:40Z")
Selling books and subscriptions is, imho, a different animal than pushing an investment scam. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2410 "2019-07-16T20:14:45Z")
Scams are what the right wing is all about. Hocking vitamins and wrist magnets and gold and bad real estate and books with lies and bad investment schemes is what they all do all the time. Have you forgotten about privatizing Social Security? Or about Independence USA? ETA: Fox News itself is just a big scam. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2411 "2019-07-16T20:36:12Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Scams are what the right wing is all about. Hocking vitamins and wrist magnets and gold and bad real estate and books with lies and bad investment schemes is what they all do all the time. Have you forgotten about privatizing Social Security? Or about Independence USA? > > ETA: Fox News itself is just a big scam. Let’s not forget the entire supplement industry is unregulated due to Orrin Hatch’s desire to enrich himself and family. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2412 "2019-07-17T12:24:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Let’s not forget the entire supplement industry is unregulated due to Orrin Hatch’s desire to enrich himself and family. Sortition _now_. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2413 "2019-07-19T07:12:55Z")
Representative Omar made a public statement on President Trump this week: _This is a president who has said ‘grab women by the pussy.’ This is a president who has called black athletes ‘sons of bitches.’ This is a president who has called people who come from black and brown countries ‘shitholes.’ This is a president who has equated neo-Nazis with those who protest against them in Charlottesville._ The Fox headline for the story: **Ilhan Omar delivers heated, profanity-laced attack on Trump**. Gee, that’s not at all misleading. Fox acted in their usual fashion; after leaving the headline up for a few hours for everyone to read, they changed it so they could pretend the original was a “mistake”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2414 "2019-07-19T07:25:51Z")
By definition, the words ‘pussy’, ‘bitches’, and 'shit, when said by Donald J Trump are sacred. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2019, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2415 "2019-07-28T06:25:40Z")
Today, rest of media: _President Trump ripped Rep. Elijah Cummings and the city, calling it “a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess.”_ Fox news:_Bernie Sanders blasted Baltimore as ‘Third World country’ and ‘disgrace’ in past comments_ (2015 news) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2416 "2019-08-01T18:11:54Z")
So comparing coverage of the Garlic festival shooting, I notice that just about every other news organization pointed to the Instagram posts posited to belong to the shooter as having included praise for a white supremacist publication. His Intagram postings are mentioned nowhere in any of the Fox stories. Although some of the comments note that he claimed to be of Italian and **IRANIAN** ancestry on Instagram. Now I suppose it is possible that Fox News is just exercising remarkable journalistic restraint and due diligence, by not jumping to any rash conclusions given that it hasn’t been proven that Intagram poster is the same person as the shooter, but somehow I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2019, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2417 "2019-08-02T09:09:42Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > So comparing coverage of the Garlic festival shooting, I notice that just about every other news organization pointed to the Instagram posts posited to belong to the shooter as having included praise for a white supremacist publication. His Intagram postings are mentioned nowhere in any of the Fox stories. Although some of the comments note that he claimed to be of Italian and **IRANIAN** ancestry on Instagram. Funnily enough, if you look in the thread here about the shooting there is a poster who also played up the IRANIAN part and is vigorously downplaying the whole “white supremacist” thing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2418 "2019-08-06T17:29:48Z")
Brian Kilmeade has pretty much been an open white supremacist for years – [most recently](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/brian-kilmeade-invasion-anti-hispanic) insisting that Hispanic migration is an “invasion”, but [as far back as '09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqbL9-HzxH4) he lamented that Americans “keep marrying other species and other ethnics”, unlike the Swedes and Finns who have “pure genes” and a “pure society” because they only marry each other. What a worthless racist piece of shit. No wonder he has a long-term home on Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2419 "2019-08-06T20:14:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > but [as far back as '09](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqbL9-HzxH4) he lamented that Americans “keep marrying other species and other ethnics”, unlike the Swedes and Finns who have “pure genes” and a “pure society” because they only marry each other. Sorry, did not get to that point because that clip was \*aggressively \*retarded before it even got there and I just had to shut it down. Kind of like reverse ADHD - I intuitively know my limited attention span is entirely wasted on this shit. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2420 "2019-08-07T05:53:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Americans “keep marrying other species Do they call me Tony the bridge builder? NO! ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2421 "2019-08-07T15:26:53Z")
[Lies, damn lies, and media: Right-wing repetition of debunked narratives reshapes reality](https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/lies-damn-lies-and-media-right-wing-repetition-debunked-narratives-reshapes-reality?fbclid=IwAR2SMh9uIPi6C_ihBaCp0ykyaandKj7_kczkmz9kWm-S1IZ2XE0xN8lcFak) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2422 "2019-08-09T05:11:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Americans “keep marrying other species …" I think that’s only in Tennessee and some parts of Mississippi and Georgia. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=120) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=122)