# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 129
**Author:** ![Sdowiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Sdowiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sdowiat)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2563 "2020-05-10T12:42:24Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Yes, each has selective coverage and viewpoints. But Fox also deliberately lies and makes shit up, and deliberately keeps lying long after their stories are debunked. CNN and MSNBC aren’t perfect, and sometimes get stories wrong, but they correct them as soon as they know they’re wrong. Fox will keep pounding on stuff like Uranium One for months or years after it’s debunked. And Joe and Mika pounded “Russia Collusion” even PAST the Muller report… Over TWO years of that. They had people on that claimed THEY HAD the evidence! Whatever became of all that? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2564 "2020-05-10T15:53:13Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > And Joe and Mika pounded “Russia Collusion” even PAST the Muller report… Over TWO years of that. They had people on that claimed THEY HAD the evidence! Whatever became of all that? Maybe I’m being whooshed, but the president was impeached over various things around the collusion that took place. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2565 "2020-05-10T19:40:45Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > Looks like they’ve been say negative unflattering stuff about him at FOX news and got under his skin there. Well, it was about time that you realized that Trump is indeed a snowflake that does not stand to take even what it is a \*\*pasteurized \*\*version of criticism to him. Heck, he even dislikes that FOX “fails” in his view because FOX makes the “mistake” of interviewing and reporting about what others said because it hurts his feelings. [https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/04/trump-melts-down-on-twitter-and-accuses-fox-news-of-siding-with-democrats-and-demands-an-alternative-now/](https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/04/trump-melts-down-on-twitter-and-accuses-fox-news-of-siding-with-democrats-and-demands-an-alternative-now/) > [@](#): > > They don’t want Lysol stories. > > Trump doesn’t want Lysol stories. But mostly Trump doesn’t want a fair, down the middle interview of Nancy Pelosi. That is because Nany Pelosi is not the sub-human, fire-breathing monster she is depicted as on the Right. If she’s interviewed straight-up, people might notice that they agree with what she’s saying. Such a fact is dangerous to Trump. > > Thus it is that we get a Sunday evening tweetstorm by Trump, who is never afraid to let people know what is up in his mind in the moment. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2566 "2020-05-10T23:08:40Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Maybe I’m being whooshed, but the president was impeached over various things around the collusion that took place. This is incorrect. The impeachment was based on misbehavior that was entirely unrelated to the Bobby Three Sticks investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2567 "2020-05-11T04:46:50Z")
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**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2568 "2020-05-11T09:09:26Z")
> [@Sdowiat](#): > > And Joe and Mika pounded “Russia Collusion” even PAST the Muller report… Over TWO years of that. They had people on that claimed THEY HAD the evidence! Whatever became of all that? You are the third person I know of, after Trump and William Barr, who thinks the Mueller Report cleared Trump of collusion with Russia. For fuck’s sake, Trump asked Russia for help on live TV. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2569 "2020-05-11T09:50:55Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > You are the third person I know of, after Trump and William Barr, who thinks the Mueller Report cleared Trump of collusion with Russia. For fuck’s sake, Trump asked Russia for help on live TV. In a very narrow and technical sense the Mueller report _does_ clear the Trump campaign of conspiring with the Russian government, although it was mostly because the Trump campaign were [too incompetent](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/mueller-report-dmitry-klokov)to participate in the Russian efforts to interfere in the election. Note that “collusion” was never within the scope of the investigation as it is not a legal term of any significance. The report does, however, set out over 100 instances of direct interaction by the Russian government and its agents with the Trump campaign with the intent to influence the election. Also note that multiple US intelligence agencies confirmed Russian interference in the election before the Mueller investigation kicked off, and and six close Trump campaign and administration members were indicted and convicted of felony perjury committed to hide interactions with Russia (now minus Flynn, although he’d previous pled guilty to it). Sessions was also going to be investigated for perjuring himself to hide meetings with Russia but simply fired the investigator, and Kushner repeatedly “forgot” to mention his meetings with Russia in his security clearance application (something which is itself a felony). So anyone genuinely thinking that the Russia thing is a “hoax” has clearly been immersed in the alternative reality that is presented by FoxNews and the rest of the far-right media bubble. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2570 "2020-05-11T11:02:01Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This is incorrect. The impeachment was based on misbehavior that was entirely unrelated to the Bobby Three Sticks investigation. You know what, you’re right! I had already forgotten that the House was derelict in their duties there, even though Mueller was practically begging them to do that (in his extremely subtle and low-key way). My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2571 "2020-05-11T16:05:12Z")
On a related note, NBC has admitted that they [misleadingly edited a quote from Bill Barr.](https://www.foxnews.com/media/chuck-todd-meet-the-press-barr-flynn-edit). Not that examples prove anything, of course when it isn’t Fox. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2572 "2020-05-11T16:18:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > On a related note, NBC has admitted that they [misleadingly edited a quote from Bill Barr.](https://www.foxnews.com/media/chuck-todd-meet-the-press-barr-flynn-edit). > > Not that examples prove anything, of course when it isn’t Fox. > > Regards, > Shodan According to the story, Todd ran a clip of Barr responding to a question about how history would judge DoJ’s dropping the Flynn case, “_Well, history is written by the winners, so it largely depends on who’s writing the history._” but cut it off before “_I think a fair history would say it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law. It upheld the standards of the Department of Justice, and it undid what was an injustice._” which totally makes his comments different in a good way because. Reasons. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2573 "2020-05-11T16:48:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > On a related note, NBC has admitted that they [misleadingly edited a quote from Bill Barr.](https://www.foxnews.com/media/chuck-todd-meet-the-press-barr-flynn-edit). > > Not that examples prove anything, of course when it isn’t Fox. > > Regards, > Shodan They admitted error?? Only weak-ass news channels do that. Good ones, like Fox, continue to lie for weeks or months without issuing a correction. Thanks, by the way, for illustrating again why Fox is worse than, in this example, NBC. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2574 "2020-05-12T07:44:45Z")
**Shodan** should totally start a “Is NBC really all that bad?” thread. And I’m sure it will fill up just as rapidly as this one, in much the same way **Clothahump** ’s “Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day” thread rapidly surpassed the “SRIOTD” one. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2575 "2020-05-12T12:49:54Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > They admitted error?? Only weak-ass news channels do that. Good ones, like Fox, continue to lie for weeks or months without issuing a correction. Fox does issue timely corrections, even when they involve [hilariously embarrassing goofs](https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-doug-wead-correction-obama-pc-meetings-principals-committee-2019-11). ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2576 "2020-05-12T16:47:15Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > According to the story, Todd ran a clip of Barr responding to a question about how history would judge DoJ’s dropping the Flynn case, “_Well, history is written by the winners, so it largely depends on who’s writing the history._” > but cut it off before “_I think a fair history would say it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law. It upheld the standards of the Department of Justice, and it undid what was an injustice._” > which totally makes his comments different in a good way because. Reasons. It was misleading. Without the omitted portion, a viewer might reasonably conclude that William P. Barr told the truth. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2577 "2020-05-12T17:14:04Z")
I have to admit that when I saw the truncated Barr clip I thought it was shockingly cynical, even for this administration. So yeah, NBC screwed up…once. And fixed it. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2578 "2020-05-12T17:46:47Z")
It actually sounds rather like a dogwhistle. _The Turner Diaries_ is a prime example of history written by the winners. I will not say outright that Barr is alluding to that – at least, not a direct allusion – but… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2579 "2020-05-13T15:23:53Z")
Since I’ve made fun of Fox News for running a succession of stories about “hot” celebs relaxing in scanty swimwear while self-quarantining, I should note that ABC News’ website today contains this gem: “Michelle Pfeiffer stuns in makeup-free selfie while pining for quarantine to end” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2020, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2580 "2020-05-14T10:15:08Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Since I’ve made fun of Fox News for running a succession of stories about “hot” celebs relaxing in scanty swimwear while self-quarantining, I should note that ABC News’ website today contains this gem: > > “Michelle Pfeiffer stuns in makeup-free selfie while pining for quarantine to end” > > :smack: This is the sort of thing that put me off CNN for good (that and their epilepsy-inducing promos). It’s not that they’re biased to the left; it’s that they’re biased to the superficial and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2581 "2020-05-15T16:14:39Z")
[This](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-botches-unemployment-fatality-figures-related-to-coronavirus) is a lead story on [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com) “Biden botches unemployment, fatality figures related to coronavirus” He mixed up the death figures and the unemployment figures in one roundtable. Seems clear to me that there is not much dirt Fox can find on Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2582 "2020-05-15T16:40:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > This is the sort of thing that put me off CNN for good (that and their epilepsy-inducing promos). It’s not that they’re biased to the left; it’s that they’re biased to the superficial and stupid. I feel the same way about CNN, but thankfully I am only exposed to them at airports. That and news links and I don’t like clicking on them in case the link is really to a time-consuming video instead of text. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=128) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=130)