# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 140
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2783 "2021-12-04T16:41:07Z")
More evidence they are: > **[Republicans lost faith in 2020 election results. Fox News played pivotal role](https://www.colorado.edu/today/2021/12/01/republicans-lost-faith-2020-election-results-fox-news-played-pivotal-role)** > > A new CU Boulder study shows that in the days following the 2020 presidential election, Republicans grew increasingly doubtful that the vote count was legitimate. Regardless of party, the more an individual trusted and consumed Fox News, the less... ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2784 "2021-12-04T18:52:25Z")
Which is a bit odd, as Fox was so quick to call Arizona for Biden, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2785 "2021-12-04T19:02:26Z")
What happened is that most of the right wing sources condemned that early call, and FOX news ended up not supporting the editors and reporters that stood by that early call. [https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/fox-news-political-executives-arizona-call-75358852](https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/fox-news-political-executives-arizona-call-75358852) > **[Op-Ed: I called Arizona for Biden on Fox News. Here's what I learned](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-28/fox-news-chris-stirewalt-firing-arizona)** > > The news business operates in a marketplace that offers penalties for reporting the news but lots of rewards for indulging a consumer’s worst cravings. The end result was for FOX viewers to blame the reporters and then more innuendo and dismissal for that early call has taken place and more supporters of the “steal” continue to spew their lies on FOX shows. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2786 "2021-12-04T19:18:56Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The end result was for FOX viewers to blame the reporters . . . Were there death threats too? Wouldn’t surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2787 "2021-12-04T19:49:04Z")
That is one moment in Fox News history. And they were reporting the results the same as they report the weather. Since then though, FOX has worked diligently at casting doubt about the election. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2788 "2021-12-10T18:31:49Z")
I considered putting this in the “M’f-ers in the News” thread, but this time the m’f-ers _are_ the news As you may know, a 49-year old mentally ill homeless man set fire to Fox network’s Christmas tree. Damages were estimated at $500k, no injuries, perpetrator released without bail because there were no injuries and it wasn’t a hate crime. Fox is going ape calling it a hate crime, war on Christmas/America/Fox. What they won’t discuss is mental health and homelessness as a crisis of anything other than personal responsibility. What I have been looking for in vain is how someone from Hawaii with no connection to NYC came to be there. Hawaii famously practices the airline version of “greyhound therapy” for mainlanders who wind up on the streets (help going back home), but do they do this for Hawaiian-born residents too? No word on even this aspect of the bigger story. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2789 "2021-12-11T01:28:24Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > As you may know, a 49-year old mentally ill homeless man set fire to Fox network’s Christmas tree. Damages were estimated at $500k, no injuries, perpetrator released without bail because there were no injuries and it wasn’t a hate crime. Stephen Colbert covered it on The Late Show. He showed a bunch of clips. One was of that Ainsley (?) woman who sits between Doucey and Kilmeade calling Christmas trees important to Hanukhah. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2790 "2021-12-11T03:55:54Z")
“Hanukkah is just the Jewish part of Christmas!” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2791 "2021-12-11T16:54:51Z")
> A Christmas tree is a symbol. It’s a symbol of a specific culture. It’s a symbol of a much-loved tradition that’s hundreds of years old. Above all, it’s a symbol of a religion, the world’s largest. Torching Christmas trees is an attack on Christianity. [pic.twitter.com/enFRpnT0mQ](https://t.co/enFRpnT0mQ) > > — Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) [December 9, 2021](https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1468759020731355137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2792 "2021-12-12T03:46:14Z")
Conservatives are always the _real_ victims. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2793 "2021-12-12T20:25:45Z")
It looks like the son of Mike Wallace has jumped ship, so, howsoever bad Fox News has been, they now have significantly less non-badness. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2794 "2021-12-12T21:10:57Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > It looks like the son of Mike Wallace has jumped ship Not just jumping ship, but he’s going to the hated-by-Fox CNN (to host a show on their new streaming service). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/12/chris-wallace-leaving-fox-news-sunday/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/12/12/chris-wallace-leaving-fox-news-sunday/) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2795 "2021-12-12T22:38:04Z")
“Fox News unveiled a new motto today, replacing ‘fair and balanced’ with ‘all right all the time’.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2796 "2021-12-13T11:00:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > (quoting Tucker Carlson) > > “A Christmas tree is a symbol. It’s a symbol of a specific culture.” Yes, it’s a symbol of pagan Germanic culture. You know who _else_ was into pagan Germanic culture? Prince Albert. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2797 "2021-12-13T12:31:28Z")
Did he ever get out of that can? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2798 "2021-12-13T13:08:57Z")
I really didn’t watch much of him. Was he really a good interviewer? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2799 "2021-12-13T14:17:14Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Was he really a good interviewer? I haven’t really watched him on Fox, but my understanding is that he has been considered to be one of the only journalists on Fox who would actually ask tough questions of his interview subjects. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2800 "2021-12-13T18:28:41Z")
I know “propaganda network” was already part of the vernacular, but can anyone even doubt otherwise now? The remaining interviewers are all just there to lay the ball up. I’m sure even Fox fans would agree, were it not for the connotations of the word “propaganda”. They’d agree that Fox is first and foremost about giving support to republicans, and Wallace should not be there because he asks mean questions. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2801 "2021-12-14T15:56:09Z")
Jan 6, you have Donnie Jr, Hannity, Kilmeade, and Ingraham all texting Meadows asking him to help get the rioters to stop. This is breaking news and not a peep on the Fox “news” website. Plus, since 1/6/21, all those Fox hypocrites now say that day was just a walk in the park. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2802 "2021-12-14T15:56:59Z")
Later that day, Ingraham was blaming antifa. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=139) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=141)