# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2883 "2026-11-05T13:51:06Z")
and now Trump is blaming them for blue tide ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2884 "2026-11-05T17:16:20Z")
I love seeing that. I also love seeing their slumping viewership as “conservatives” go to even further right sources for their “news”. > **[Fox News suffers ratings slump on bleak election night for Republicans](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/nov/04/fox-news-midterm-ratings)** > > In early, preliminary figures, the news channel trailed several other networks in prime-time viewership ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2885 "2026-11-05T18:38:23Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > even further right sources so, where would that be? I mean, aside from places that are NOT news (Facebook, X, etc) - where do people who are leaving faux news going (that I might have heard of) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2886 "2026-11-05T18:43:18Z")
Breitbart and OANN (One America News) both have distinct followings of people who have for years thought Fox News was already too liberal. Those are ones that are at least something resembling mainstream. So that’s aside from whatever other insane AM radio or local or dark web news there might be. And I have no desire to go down that rabbit hole. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2887 "2026-11-05T19:19:55Z")
Also Newsmax and Real America’s Voice. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2888 "2026-11-05T19:44:52Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Also Newsmax Newsmax is the one I have personally experienced at a relatives house. Made me long for the days when it was “just” Fox News playing constantly. 🤮 ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2889 "2026-11-05T20:55:41Z")
Newsmax is where Katie Zacharia resurfaced. She blamed losing her job on the media and that it “became too amassed for me.” Actual quote. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2890 "2026-11-05T20:58:39Z")
Seems par the course for the high quality I witnessed on Newsmax. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2891 "2026-11-05T21:27:35Z")
I just watched her interview. Aside from that weird little thing, she was relatively well spoken. Had she managed that in the White House, she could still have the job. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2026, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2892 "2026-11-05T22:27:15Z")
I believe her when she said that she got a briefing book on one day and shoved in front of the microphones the next. Obviously, not enough time to prepare and practice for something incredibly different than a softball make-her-look-good interview that she prepped for and seemed to have a ready store of memorized sentences. Spending years lying about being a lawyer was a doom bomb no matter how articulate she was. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2893 "2026-11-06T09:08:32Z")
From what I’ve seen it’s Facebook, Rumble, Odysee, BitChute, and other places where facts are what someone else asserts. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2026, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2894 "2026-11-06T12:40:47Z")
My favorite Fox moment Tuesday night came mid-evening as the great wave was becoming visible to all. A field report abruptly ended, catching Bret Baier in the middle of asking producers and fellow talking heads “are we gonna spin this?” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2895 "2026-11-08T17:45:09Z")
Two anecdotes from the few minutes I spent watching Fox on Tuesday night: It’s apparent that their viewpoint for the next 2 years (at least) will be: “SOCIALISTS ARE COMING!!”. They said “socialism” and “DSA” over and over and never once said the words “Trump” or “MAGA”. They were fixated for some reason on California – on the California governor’s race (which nobody else in the world seemed to think significant. A Democrat was elected. In other news, a dog bit a man.) and the LA Mayor’s race … because, one supposes, a Democratic-Socialist was running. One of their pundits – a young blonde woman – told this story: “a few years ago, 48% of Californians said they’d consider voting for a Democrat”. (This was newsworthy only to people who forgot about Gov. Schwarzenegger, or Reagan if you go back far enough). “But today, when the Republicans had an absolutely perfect dream candidate running, he’s struggling to get 40% of the vote.” Her tone was: Perfidious Californians! How _dare_ they! ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2896 "2026-11-08T18:06:10Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > They were fixated for some reason on California – on the California governor’s race (which nobody else in the world seemed to think significant. A Democrat was elected. In other news, a dog bit a man.) California is the great shibboleth state of the American right. For one thing it is hugely wealthy and populous, overwhelmingly blue and currently associated with a mouthy governor who may make a threatening presidential candidate. But more importantly it is has been ground central for the conservative perception of the culture wars for decades. Republicans have been complaining about liberal Hollywood influences and uppity activist actors since at least the 1980’s. Not to mention California college radicals that probably stretch back in the conservative mind to the 1960’s and the hippies. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2897 "2026-11-08T18:11:20Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > They were fixated for some reason on California – To demonstrate how deeply entrenched this propaganda is among their viewership, I’ll share the following: My parents complain ceaselessly about “Californians” (spat out like they just ate a slug) moving to Arizona and “ruining” their chosen Mecca. They moved to Arizona less than 5 years ago. From California. Where they had lived for more than 50 years. They are incurable Fox “News” watchers. And they say these things with not even a hint of irony. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2898 "2026-11-08T18:21:13Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > My parents complain ceaselessly about “Californians” (spat out like they just ate a slug) moving to Arizona and “ruining” their chosen Mecca. They moved to Arizona less than 5 years ago. From California. Where they had lived for more than 50 years. With all apologies that just made me laugh 😀. [Blinders fascinate and amuse me](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWuM6DiQuOol3YwFlqvxtcllIAYAN2cTccJT030qX8eRSShn2VqJS6QE8&s=10). ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2899 "2026-11-08T18:22:26Z")
It makes me laugh, too. Ruefully. The disconnect is astonishing. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2900 "2026-11-08T20:59:17Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > One of their pundits – a young blonde woman – Well _that_ narrows it down. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2026, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2901 "2026-11-08T21:53:15Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Republicans have been complaining about liberal Hollywood influences and uppity activist actors since at least the 1980’s. …when the leader of the Republican party was an uppity activist Hollywood actor. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2026, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/2902 "2026-11-09T04:00:09Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > But more importantly it is has been ground central for the conservative perception of the culture wars for decades. Growing up in Utah in the 60s and 70s, California was the embodiment of evil. Sodom and Gomorrah were places of virtue compared to there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=146)