# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/421 "2014-04-01T17:40:47Z")
> [@nole](#): > > This is nothing more than opinion being passed off as fact. Provide proof that FOX lies more, I’ve watched both & both are full of it. I’ve seen multiple threads showing the duplicity of Fox News over the years. Perhaps instead of just saying it over and over again, you could start a thread showing us how MSNBC is just as duplicitous? I’m afraid that, in light of all the examples shown so far concerning Fox, just repeating “They do it toooo!!” just doesn’t cut the mustard. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/422 "2014-04-01T17:43:22Z")
> [@nole](#): > > This is nothing more than opinion being passed off as fact. Of course it’s opinion! Your statement that they are the same is also opinion. It’s okay to state opinions. ---
**Author:** ![nole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@nole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/423 "2014-04-01T17:46:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ve seen multiple threads showing the duplicity of Fox News over the years. Perhaps instead of just saying it over and over again, you could start a thread showing us how MSNBC is just as duplicitous? I’m afraid that, in light of all the examples shown so far concerning Fox, just repeating “They do it toooo!!” just doesn’t cut the mustard. I hate to stereotype but I tend to think that a message board filled with intellectuals & most likely a lot of people in academia would lean towards the left & therefore would be more prone to creating those types of threads. My eyes, ears, and brain give me all the proof I need to see how biased MSNBC is (as well as FOX). If you choose to ignore reality for personal reasons then you are free to do so. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/424 "2014-04-01T17:55:10Z")
> [@nole](#): > > I hate to stereotype but I tend to think that a message board filled with intellectuals & most likely a lot of people in academia would lean towards the left & therefore would be more prone to creating those types of threads. My eyes, ears, and brain give me all the proof I need to see how biased MSNBC is (as well as FOX). If you choose to ignore reality for personal reasons then you are free to do so. Yes, MSNBC is biased. It is obvious from their story selection. But they cover the stories fairly. They don’t make shit up, or lie by omission, as Fox consistently does. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/425 "2014-04-01T17:57:39Z")
> [@nole](#): > > I hate to stereotype but I tend to think that a message board filled with intellectuals & most likely a lot of people in academia would lean towards the left & therefore would be more prone to creating those types of threads. My eyes, ears, and brain give me all the proof I need to see how biased MSNBC is (as well as FOX). If you choose to ignore reality for personal reasons then you are free to do so. So…you’ve got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/426 "2014-04-01T18:19:50Z")
You know what… I think he _likes_ to stereotype, too. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/427 "2014-04-01T18:23:11Z")
> [@nole](#): > > …a message board filled with intellectuals & most likely a lot of people in academia… Why, thank you very much-What a nice thing to say! ---
**Author:** ![nole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@nole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/428 "2014-04-01T18:26:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So…you’ve got nothing. Nor do you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/429 "2014-04-01T18:30:16Z")
> [@nole](#): > > Nor do you. I’ve got this thread, and previous ones on the same subject, and you’ve got…? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/430 "2014-04-01T18:32:13Z")
Both FOX and MSNBC (or whatever other “lefty” network you want to bring up) are biased towards supporting aggressive foreign policy, the expansion of the surveillance state, and corporatism. FOX tells some whoppers and it’s fun to give them shit because they’re incompetent and hilariously out of touch, but at that point you’re basically complaining about the window dressing. ---
**Author:** ![nole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@nole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/431 "2014-04-01T18:33:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ve got this thread, and previous ones on the same subject, and you’ve got…? This thread being what? A bunch of liberals bashing FOX? Your definition of proof needs tweaking. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/432 "2014-04-01T18:39:16Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Both FOX and MSNBC (or whatever other “lefty” network you want to bring up) are biased towards supporting aggressive foreign policy, the expansion of the surveillance state, and corporatism. I must be missing something. Who on MSNBC supports any of those things? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/433 "2014-04-01T18:39:28Z")
> [@nole](#): > > This thread being what? A bunch of liberals bashing FOX? Your definition of proof needs tweaking. I never said I was giving a definition of proof. My _informed opinion_ concerning Fox News is based on numerous links to things Fox has done and said, links provided in this thread and others. That is how we intellectuals from academia tend to form our opinions, I’m sorry to say. How do you people that _aren’t_ intellectuals and do not frequent academia form _your_ opinions? ---
**Author:** ![nole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@nole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/434 "2014-04-01T18:59:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I never said I was giving a definition of proof. My _informed opinion_ concerning Fox News is based on numerous links to things Fox has done and said, links provided in this thread and others. That is how we intellectuals from academia tend to form our opinions, I’m sorry to say. How do you people that _aren’t_ intellectuals and do not frequent academia form _your_ opinions? It’s a shame you waste your intelligence so vehemently defending MSNBC. They’ve certainly done a number on you. Do you also believe politicians are looking out for the good of the people? Anyone who knows anything about business knows that both FOX & MSNBC are precisely that. They cater to their market & they skew their facts to accomplish that. I apologize that I don’t spend my time documenting all the flaws of a news network that I don’t like. What’s obvious is obvious, and MSNBC is obviously biased, shouldn’t take more than half a brain to realize that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/435 "2014-04-01T19:03:07Z")
> [@nole](#): > > …shouldn’t take more than half a brain to realize that. Nope. Too easy. ---
**Author:** ![nole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@nole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/436 "2014-04-01T19:17:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nope. Too easy. Sure thing bud. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/437 "2014-04-01T21:01:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No matter how often it is said, saying it doesn’t make it true. Have you got something equivalent to Fox’s ongoing "Bad "R"s called “D"s” situation on behalf of MSNBC that you could show us? I have yet to see a cite that shows Fox to be more biased than other news networks. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/438 "2014-04-01T21:09:41Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I have yet to see a cite that shows Fox to be more biased than other news networks. And I have yet to see anything other than “They do it tooo!” to counter all the examples given for Fox’s misdeeds. If you think MSNBC is just as bad as Fox, the onus is on you to provide the evidence supporting your positive statement. Do your own damn homework. ---
**Author:** ![nole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@nole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nole)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/439 "2014-04-01T21:14:25Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I have yet to see a cite that shows Fox to be more biased than other news networks. Dude, there is a thread on a message board about how it’s WAY more biased, how much more proof do you need??? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/440 "2014-04-01T21:25:26Z")
[Here is a blog post showing how Fox routinely uses distorted and dishonest graphs to exaggerate different statistics to make the Obama Administration look bad.](http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/10/01/a-history-of-dishonest-fox-charts/190225) [This one is my favorite.](http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fnc-an-20111212-markedchart.jpg) If MSNBC is just as bad, how about you post some equivalent examples from them? You don’t even have to match them one for one, a handful will do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=23)