# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/721 "2014-12-05T19:54:16Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > This surprises me. I would have expected them to give credit for the good economy to the newly elected Republicans in the Senate. > Never mind that they haven’t been sworn in and done anything yet. But the economy is recovering _in anticipation_ of them doing great things. Business owners are all like, “now that congress is going to be Republican, I feel safe going ahead and hiring, knowing that that bastard Obama will be kept in check.” 😉 I recall some commentators (can’t remember if they were Fox News or not) in 2008, when the economy had been going to shit for months that this all started when Obama’s candidacy in the democratic primaries was announced and people had been fleeing the markets just in case this guy became the democratic candidate and then won the the election. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/722 "2014-12-05T21:12:27Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > I recall some commentators (can’t remember if they were Fox News or not) in 2008, when the economy had been going to shit for months that this all started when Obama’s candidacy in the democratic primaries was announced and people had been fleeing the markets just in case this guy became the democratic candidate and then won the the election. It’s true. Bush was doing everything in his power to build a terrific economy but there’s only so much you can do when the fearful news that a black Muslim socialist might become President throws Job Creators™ into panic and depression. But now the opposite is happening. There is every expectation that Mittens “the Mitt” Romney will be the next President, and now that Hillary Clinton has admitted that she is a big fan of ISIS and hates America, it’s pretty much a certainty. Job Creators™ are rejoicing, cranking out jobs like crazy. I heard all about it on Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/723 "2014-12-06T02:38:13Z")
**Velocity**! **callander**! **Deeg**! Literally _anyone_ who watches FOX News! Care to defend any of this? Care to point out cases where the rest of the “mainstream media” fucked up quite this badly? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/724 "2014-12-06T02:54:49Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > {…} What’s more, the 6.5 magnitude earthquake leaves virtually no room for political gesturing or commentary. {…} Earth Quake (D) AlaskaCMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/725 "2014-12-06T03:03:25Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Earth Quake (D) AlaskaCMC fnord! Why isn’t there a \*like \*feature on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Contemporary\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@Contemporary\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contemporary_Logic)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/726 "2014-12-06T03:19:23Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dismissing something out of hand because it’s from Fox News is a form of ad hominem. > > Let’s say, hypothetically, that there were a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Alaska, and Fox News reported it. If you told someone, “Hey, there was a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Alaska this morning,” and they asked, “Where you hear that from?,” you responded, “Fox News,” and they snorted, “You believe FOX NEWS? Seriously?”, that would be attacking the source, not the data. > > What if it \*were \*true - that there had been a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Alaska? From an evidence-based reasoning perspective (science); If the source isn’t credible then the evidence for the data is lacking. The data you gave was based on the evidence that you heard it from Fox News. It is not an ad-hominem to point out the lack of credibility Fox News has when you cite it as a source for your argument. It’s still evidence that there was an earthquake, and to completely dismiss it as false because it came from Fox News isn’t reasonable, but that isn’t something most critics of Fox News do. Fox is known for filtering data and ,only sometimes, misrepresenting data. If you heard there was an earthquake in Alaska on Fox News it’s probably true. The details about how Obama is mishandling the crisis are what you should be more skeptical about. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/727 "2014-12-06T04:31:47Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > But the economy is recovering _in anticipation_ of them doing great things. Business owners are all like, “now that congress is going to be Republican, I feel safe going ahead and hiring, knowing that that bastard Obama will be kept in check.” 😉 > > I recall some commentators (can’t remember if they were Fox News or not) in 2008, when the economy had been going to shit for months that this all started when Obama’s candidacy in the democratic primaries was announced and people had been fleeing the markets just in case this guy became the democratic candidate and then won the the election. My ex’s dad went to a gun store when Obama was sworn in to stock up on ammo, because obviously Obama was going to take the guns away. The gun store was extremely busy and almost sold out of all its ammo, and a large portion of their actual firearms too. He took this as evidence that it was happening already. Now I often wonder if gun store owners secretly vote D on their tickets. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/728 "2014-12-08T10:18:27Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dismissing something out of hand because it’s from Fox News is a form of ad hominem. Who did that, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/729 "2014-12-08T14:13:30Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > My ex’s dad went to a gun store when Obama was sworn in to stock up on ammo, because obviously Obama was going to take the guns away. > > The gun store was extremely busy and almost sold out of all its ammo, and a large portion of their actual firearms too. He took this as evidence that it was happening already. > > Now I often wonder if gun store owners secretly vote D on their tickets. I remember the exact same shit when Clinton was elected. Wouldn’t surprise me if it happened with Carter too. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/730 "2014-12-08T15:43:46Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dismissing something out of hand because it’s from Fox News is a form of ad hominem. > > Let’s say, hypothetically, that there were a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Alaska, and Fox News reported it. If you told someone, “Hey, there was a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Alaska this morning,” and they asked, “Where you hear that from?,” you responded, “Fox News,” and they snorted, “You believe FOX NEWS? Seriously?”, that would be attacking the source, not the data. > > What if it \*were \*true - that there had been a 6.5 magnitude earthquake in Alaska? That sort of thing I think you can believe FOX. Of course if someone told me such a thing I’d immediately check other sources to learn more about the event. FOX would no more lie about that then they would lie about who won the World Series or other factual and undeniable stories. ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/731 "2014-12-08T16:40:07Z")
[quote=“Budget\_Player\_Cadet, post:723, topic:636625”] **Velocity**! **callander**! **Deeg**! Literally _anyone_ who watches FOX News! Care to defend any of this? Care to point out cases where the rest of the “mainstream media” fucked up quite this badly?[/ If you read the very first comment I made, I said yes Fox is that bad as are other networks. I think that they are both guilty of crap broadcasting and bias. Be well Callander ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/732 "2014-12-08T16:47:52Z")
Neither FOX or CNN are my cup of tea. I gave up taking either seriously years ago if you must know. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/733 "2014-12-08T16:58:03Z")
> [@callander](#): > > > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > > > **Velocity**! **callander**! **Deeg**! Literally _anyone_ who watches FOX News! Care to defend any of this? Care to point out cases where the rest of the “mainstream media” fucked up quite this badly? > > If you read the very first comment I made, I said yes Fox is that bad as are other networks. I think that they are both guilty of crap broadcasting and bias. > > Be well > Callander Yes, and I’m saying “do you have examples that show that the other networks are even on the same level as this?” Honestly, this is like pointing to a few little flaws on RationalWiki and saying “Conservapedia is bad, as are other wikis like RationalWiki”. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/734 "2014-12-08T16:58:48Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Dismissing something out of hand because it’s from Fox News is a form of ad hominem. You seem consistently concerned with things that aren’t happening. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/735 "2014-12-08T17:01:47Z")
[quote=“callander, post:731, topic:636625”] > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > **Velocity**! **callander**! **Deeg**! Literally _anyone_ who watches FOX News! Care to defend any of this? Care to point out cases where the rest of the “mainstream media” fucked up quite this badly?[/ > > If you read the very first comment I made, I said yes Fox is that bad as are other networks. I think that they are both guilty of crap broadcasting and bias. > > Be well > Callander Can you back up what you think with hard evidence? Others in this thread _have_. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/736 "2014-12-08T17:04:13Z")
> [@callander](#): > > Neither FOX or CNN are my cup of tea. I gave up taking either seriously years ago if you must know. So if this were a thread saying the same thing about CNN, you’d be making the same type of posts defending it? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/737 "2014-12-08T17:23:25Z")
> [@callander](#): > > Neither FOX or CNN are my cup of tea. I gave up taking either seriously years ago if you must know. CNN reports the job numbers whether they are good or bad. Because they are a news organization, and the monthly jobs numbers are big news. Foxnews only reports the job numbers when they are bad, because they are a disinformation organization, and reporting the jobs numbers when they are good would go against their chosen narrative. I’ve shown the above statements to be accurate over the past few months in the course of this thread, with confirmation by others in this thread. Can you find one similar example for CNN or MSNBC? ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/738 "2014-12-08T17:34:36Z")
[quote=“Czarcasm, post:735, topic:636625”] > [@callander](#): > > Can you back up what you think with hard evidence? Others in this thread _have_. That is lovely that others have. Are you telling me that if I don’t have an hour to devote to your request, I should not post? ---
**Author:** ![callander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed655f/32.png) [@callander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/callander)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/739 "2014-12-08T17:37:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So if this were a thread saying the same thing about CNN, you’d be making the same type of posts defending it? I will say it again, they are both off, who is more biased or reports nonsense more isn’t the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/740 "2014-12-08T17:42:35Z")
The truth is that at any given moment, you can go to [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com) and the lead story is likely to be something against the Democrats. Don’t believe me? Right now, their lead story (Copy/paste title): “‘VIOLENCE AND DEATH’: Outrage, fear of terror hits over Dem release of CIA interrogations report” The “outrage” and “fear” are coming from a single GOP politician. This is not a real story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=38)