# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1021 "2015-12-24T05:41:27Z")
> [@phreak9](#): > > . . . Im a moderate who supports Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul or a 3rd party. ??? Isn’t that like mixing matter and anti-matter? Neither of those guys is “moderate” in any sense, and they’re non-moderates in very much opposite directions! That’s like a Nixon/Humphrey ticket in '68! ---
**Author:** ![phreak9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/45deac/32.png) [@phreak9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phreak9)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1022 "2015-12-24T06:16:01Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > ??? Isn’t that like mixing matter and anti-matter? Neither of those guys is “moderate” in any sense, and they’re non-moderates in very much opposite directions! > > That’s like a Nixon/Humphrey ticket in '68! I should have said independent. I think Sanders or Paul are the only 2 outside of the libertarian and green parties that would open the door for 3rd and more parties to get in the game. A moderate in the present sense is too easily tied to the corporate sellouts conditions/disease we currently have. If there we more parties things would operate in a shape instead of a sold out corporate line of left to right. The dems and repubs just shift along that line with limited accountability and an always slightly shifting stance that only holds its ground on its shady foundation of being sellouts to banks and corporations. its like 2 siblings with a he said she said argument that never ends. more parties means more accountability and being held to what you say. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1023 "2015-12-24T06:17:24Z")
> [@phreak9](#): > > I should have said independent. I think Sanders or Paul are the only 2 outside of the libertarian and green parties that would open the door for 3rd and more parties to get in the game. A moderate in the present sense is too easily tied to the corporate sellouts conditions/disease we currently have. If there we more parties things would operate in a shape instead of a sold out corporate line of left to right. Actually a Trump third party run would be more likely to be more consequential than Sanders or anyone else. Of course that’s a party I would not want to go to. ---
**Author:** ![phreak9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/45deac/32.png) [@phreak9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phreak9)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2015, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1024 "2015-12-24T07:07:54Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > ??? Isn’t that like mixing matter and anti-matter? Neither of those guys is “moderate” in any sense, and they’re non-moderates in very much opposite directions! > > That’s like a Nixon/Humphrey ticket in '68! The libertarians and greens (far left and far right) agree that climate change is real (at least Rand Paul acknowledges it), lobbyists are horrible (which makes it even more sad that Paul Ryans wife is a rich lobbyist and he is now speaker of the friggin house!) and they both oppose spending trillions of dollars on war. Those issues and education and a flat tax or simpler tax code are things I can roll with! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1025 "2016-01-03T16:33:44Z")
I’m getting tired of this s\*\*\*, FOX news had already a history of spinning the news in support of sedition as seen in the Cliven Bundy case: > **[Fox News: Where Protests Against Racial Discrimination Are Anarchy But Armed...](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-nation/fox-news-where-protests-against-racial-discrimination-are-anarchy-armed-protests-against)** > [@](#): > > Fox displayed an on-screen graphic characterizing the protests as “anarchy in the making.” Meanwhile, the student protesters at the University of Missouri have actually been threatened with violence, and two suspects have been arrested for threatening black students. > > But Fox’s coverage of protests has looked drastically different when those protesting have aligned with the network’s conservative agenda. > > Recall when Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy faced off with the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) over his refusal to pay grazing fees for his cattle’s use of public lands in April 2014; he threatened violence and incited protests – which included armed militia supporters – to resist BLM efforts to collect on his debt. Fox News rocketed Bundy to conservative folk-hero status, lauding the rancher with the network’s support even as numerous media reports described Bundy supporters pointing guns at federal law enforcement. BLM was even forced to suspend its operations when protesters – some of them armed – marched toward where BLM had impounded Bundy’s cattle. Fox personalities praised Bundy supporters as “good, hardworking Americans,” “law-abiding American citizens,” and “patriotic Americans,” and one Fox host, Clayton Morris, sanitized the interactions between Bundy supporters and law enforcement, claiming, “Suddenly people are there protesting peacefully, arguing against government intervention here … and all of these police and folks roll in with guns and sniper rifles pointing at them.” And now the Bundys are at again and FOX is starting again with their crappy spin, this time defending some guys that got into trouble with the law in Oregon, and as the issue has a connection with environmental policies made more noticeable with [the building they are taking over right now](http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html) it does not take a genius to foresee that more stupid headlines and support of sedition made by FOX is coming. It has to be noted that the corporate media is only barely better so far. As a Doper on the pit thread points out: [QUOTE=RitterSport] [The NY Times has a small article on the front page of their website. Fox News has it front and center with this headline: ‘AS LONG AS IT TAKES’: Armed protesters hunker down in federal building over ranching dispute Now, let’s pretend these were armed Muslim extremists that took over a federal building. Would the NY Times have a small headline? Would Fox News call them “armed protesters”?]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18984729&postcount=26](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18984729&postcount=26)) [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1026 "2016-01-04T01:33:50Z")
> [@phreak9](#): > > and a flat tax _needle scratching sound_ ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1027 "2016-01-08T13:48:33Z")
Monthly jobs numbers report. Great news. Here is the special alert banner on the legitimate major news sites: CNBC: “Whoa! Job creation surges in December.” NYTimes: “U.S. Economy Added 292,000 Jobs in December; Unemployment Rate at 5%” CNN: “U.S. adds 2.65 million jobs in 2015 for 2nd best year since 1999” Wall Street Journal: “U.S. Employers Post Strong Job Gains” Foxnews: “…” (I’m sure it’s here somewhere. Oh, there it is. Usually they don’t report it at all! Buried half way down the page underneath the lead story which is Hillary did something on Benghazi.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1028 "2016-01-08T15:46:31Z")
“December jobs report better than expected, 292,000 new jobs.” Interesting tone. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1029 "2016-01-08T18:27:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Foxnews: “…” (I’m sure it’s here somewhere. Oh, there it is. Usually they don’t report it at all! Buried half way down the page underneath the lead story which is Hillary did something on Benghazi.) It had to be down there because they needed room for “Gunman ‘confesses’ to attempted execution of Philly cop,” “‘American Sniper’ widow takes on Obama over guns,” “Lessons in Hate: Philly high schooler gets threats over race column,” and “Benghazi Foul-up: Emails reveal how Clinton fumed over name mistake.” Gotta keep the agenda focused, you know. (Particularly love the lead story on the high school asshat who "opined that Michael Brown, the black teenager killed in 2014 by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., was “a delinquent” who was “at worst, justifiably killed, and at best, [was] a thug.” Fox is shocked … _shocked!_ … that he’s facing backlash! Very important news, that.) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1030 "2016-01-27T17:09:59Z")
> **[Fox Host Ignores Investigations Clearing Planned Parenthood To Falsely Insist...](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-host-ignores-investigations-clearing-planned-parenthood-falsely-insist-there)** > > From the January 27 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom: > [@](#): > > Fox Host Ignores Investigations Clearing Planned Parenthood To Falsely Insist There Is “Overwhelming Evidence” Of Criminal Behavior > > Heather Childers Parrots Debunked Claims From CMP, After Its Founder Was Indicted And this also **after several state investigations already cleared PP of any wrongdoing**. What FOX is doing now is reaching malfeasance levels for misleading their viewers with no shame. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1031 "2016-02-13T10:02:47Z")
I’ve not read the thread – the question seems to answer itself – but I click to FoxNews sometimes from Google News. Today I was slighly astounded to see “What voters know about Hillary Clinton: She’s a crook” as a suggested link. The “she’s a crook” story itself is marked OPINION, _but not the Fox story with the link._ As an experiment I went to the home page, [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com) itself. The recent debate was mentioned, but only with “Clinton not asked about foundation investigation at debate”, and _that_ story was _not_ marked opinion. This story was considered so important it was linked to twice. There were two other mentions of Clinton on the foxnews home page, both also negative. I get enough recreational outrage at the Dope without reading this thread, so just tell me: Are there really Dopers who think FoxNews is NOT “all that bad”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1032 "2016-02-13T18:17:43Z")
Every time this thread is bumped someone will come out of the woodwork claiming that Fox News is the shining unbiased beacon in a liberal-controlled media. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1033 "2016-02-13T19:25:26Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … > I get enough recreational outrage at the Dope without reading this thread, so just tell me: Are there really Dopers who think FoxNews is NOT “all that bad”? Yeah, there are. It’s scary. But do yourself a favor, and continue not reading this thread! ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1034 "2016-02-13T19:48:55Z")
45, and never heard of it. But then again, I was allergic to reading as a teenager. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1035 "2016-02-13T20:15:10Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > 45, and never heard of it. But then again, I was allergic to reading as a teenager. I suppose you intended this for the thread about “Go Ask Alice”. But if you have never heard of Fox news, I envy you. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1036 "2016-02-13T20:23:00Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I suppose you intended this for the thread about “Go Ask Alice”. But if you have never heard of Fox news, I envy you. LOL. Yep, I posted in the wrong thread. Unfortunately, I have heard of Fox News. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1037 "2016-02-13T22:55:17Z")
I’ll take this thread revival as an opportunity to point out that while I heard Obama referred to as “Barack Hussein Obama” many times on Foxnews, I haven’t heard anything about “Eduardo Rafael Cruz” for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1038 "2016-06-24T22:32:46Z")
Posted without further comment: [Fox News Reports UK Has Left The UN After EU Referendum Vote](http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b?section=) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1039 "2016-06-24T22:37:47Z")
Tonight at 11 on FOX: The UK has left the solar system… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1040 "2016-06-24T22:52:08Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Posted without further comment: > [Fox News Reports UK Has Left The UN After EU Referendum Vote](http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b?section=) To add commentary, because my initial reaction was “meh, that one’s an innocuous mistake.” Then I realized it fits perfectly with their tactic of intentionally making mistakes like this. Minimizing US support for the UN is a plank in the Fox agenda. Similar to changing ill-doers party affiliation when it suits them, this leaves a subtle cue in the minds of their low-information/vastly misinformed (and easily fooled) audience. Fox news really is that bad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=53)