# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1081 "2016-07-05T18:52:40Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Fox is to the Republican party what Pravda was to the Communist party. > > And I think the “hot” anchorwomen thing is intentional because men are known to think less critically when listening to a beautiful woman. They more than make up for it with Hume and Krauthammer. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1082 "2016-07-05T18:54:40Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Now it reads: “FBI won’t recommend charges for Clinton despite ‘extremely careless’ handling of sensitive emails” > > implying that the FBI is not charging even though they should be charging. I’d put the over/under at about two hours before it’s “RIGGED SYSTEM?” ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1083 "2016-07-05T19:19:39Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Now it reads: “FBI won’t recommend charges for Clinton despite ‘extremely careless’ handling of sensitive emails” > > implying that the FBI is not charging even though they should be charging. As of 3:15 it’s been changed to: “IN THE CLEAR: FBI will not push for criminal charges over Clinton’s ‘extremely careless’ email use” Someone changed “won’t recommend” to “will not push” (supporting the Republican talking point of a rigged system)) and added “criminal” (to reinforce the connection to the word). Dropped “handling of sensitive” to “email use” (changed to active voice to make a stronger impact). In pushing an agenda, I’m not sure I would have dropped “despite.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1084 "2016-07-05T22:58:30Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > As of 3:15 it’s been changed to: > > “IN THE CLEAR: FBI will not push for criminal charges over Clinton’s ‘extremely careless’ email use” > > Someone changed “won’t recommend” to “will not push” (supporting the Republican talking point of a rigged system)) and added “criminal” (to reinforce the connection to the word). Dropped “handling of sensitive” to “email use” (changed to active voice to make a stronger impact). In pushing an agenda, I’m not sure I would have dropped “despite.” It keeps getting better as they work on it. “In the clear” has now been dropped, presumably because someone at Fox decided it carries too much of an implication of innocence. There’s also a picture of Hillary looking dour and hapless, as if she was just caught molesting a sheep. But the best part is the related stories they’ve now cobbled together: [ul] [li]_“Obama joins Clinton at campaign event, touting her **experience and judgement** ”_ (emphasis mine)[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]An article on why the FBI recommendations “make no sense”[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]A video of Trump declaring that the system is rigged, posted as presumed fact from an authoritative source[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1085 "2016-07-05T23:08:53Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > It’s called listening. Just listen to CNN or NBC, or ABC, or NPR and just listen to the slant. They never say anything negative about Obama or Hillary while Bush when he was in office could do nothing right. > > They slam conservative groups like the tea party but what about their liberal counterparts? You hear the word “right wing” alot but what about “left wing”? > > Why is the word “progressive” always referring to liberal ideas? Who decides what is progressive? Oh yeah, the media. > > And ever watch Saturday Night Live or the Colbert Report? They may have a slight joke on democrats and especially Obama but they never draw blood. > > So just watch and listen. You’d have to be blind not to see bias in the media. Yeah, the Colbert Report hasn’t had a single negative thing to say about Obama in the last year and a half. If that doesn’t prove bias, then what does? Note: I’m practicing thinking like Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1086 "2016-07-06T01:28:56Z")
When CBS news radio broadcast the evening report, headlining with the story that the FBI won’t prosecute Clinton, their opener was an extensive quote from Donald Trump, blasting the decision and blasting Clinton. But, no, of course, no mainstream news report ever says anything bad about Democrats. Because ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1087 "2016-07-06T01:40:51Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > When CBS news radio broadcast the evening report, headlining with the story that the FBI won’t prosecute Clinton, their opener was an extensive quote from Donald Trump, blasting the decision and blasting Clinton. They’re just doing that to guard themselves against accusations of bias. They don’t really believe it. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Note: I’m practicing thinking like Fox. Am I doing it right? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1088 "2016-07-06T01:47:56Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > When CBS news radio broadcast the evening report, headlining with the story that the FBI won’t prosecute Clinton, their opener was an extensive quote from Donald Trump, blasting the decision and blasting Clinton. > > But, no, of course, no mainstream news report ever says anything bad about Democrats. Because ignorance. Right, and what you have there is an example of what I’ve often said – that the primary motivation of most media isn’t to promote left or right political causes, but to maximize profit by attracting audience share, which often means sensationalizing the news as in that example. Fox News was established do both – to be a PR arm of the Republican party and engage in irresponsible tabloid journalism and at the same time, a big money-maker because there are a lot of idiots around who are thrilled to have a “news” channel in the tabloid tradition that tells them all the things they want to hear, but that they don’t hear from real news channels because they aren’t true – like the dozens or hundreds of examples already cited here. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1089 "2016-07-06T01:55:06Z")
FOX News. It’s a Joke. It’s a comedy send-up with mannequins in Mall Clothes spouting hate and BS with such quick change overs from rants to smug smiles, it’s like they are choreographed by a rapidly cycling manic-depressive. Also, I keep thinking about how their next story might be about “Robocop, the New Man in Old Detroit.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1090 "2016-07-06T10:32:11Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I’d put the over/under at about two hours before it’s “RIGGED SYSTEM?” Hah! Not sure when it went up, but one of the headlines on the Fox News front page is now “‘RIGGED’ SYSTEM? Trump slams Clinton after FBI recommends no charges,” complete with the all caps. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1091 "2016-07-06T15:21:55Z")
[It’s pretty bad, if you have to have sex with Roger Ailes to keep your job.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/former-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-says-she-was-fired-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-roger-ailes/) (shudder) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1092 "2016-07-06T16:47:47Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > [It’s pretty bad, if you have to have sex with Roger Ailes to keep your job.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/former-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-says-she-was-fired-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-roger-ailes/) > (shudder) And here I thought I’d never feel sorry for Gretchen Carlson. > [@](#): > > Carlson also alleges that Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy regularly demeaned her in the workplace by “mocking her during commercial breaks, shunning her off air, refusing to engage with her on air, belittling her contributions to the show.” She claims Doocy attempted “to put her in her place by refusing to accept and treat her as an intelligent and insightful female journalist rather than a blond female prop.” Her first mistake was assuming Doocy could identify “intelligent and insightful” under any circumstance. (Her second was assuming her job was to be a “journalist”; even FoxNews categorizes their show as “entertainment” rather than “news”. She’s a morning-show talking head at best.) But I do feel bad for her - even a partisan hack actively engaged in peddling vast quantities of obvious bullshit to gullible rubes shouldn’t have to put up with workplace bullying and harassment. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1093 "2016-07-06T18:14:47Z")
So Fox News is a cesspool of corruption and misogyny and Roger Ailes is a complete douchebag? Who would ever have suspected such a thing? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1094 "2016-07-06T18:23:43Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > [It’s pretty bad, if you have to have sex with Roger Ailes to keep your job.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/former-fox-news-host-gretchen-carlson-says-she-was-fired-for-refusing-to-have-sex-with-roger-ailes/) > (shudder) To be fair, it’s pretty bad if you have to have sex with Gretchen Carlson, too. She kinda looks like she’d be scolding you the whole time. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1095 "2016-07-06T18:56:00Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > To be fair, it’s pretty bad if you have to have sex with Gretchen Carlson, too. She kinda looks like she’d be scolding you the whole time. Some people pay extra for that. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1096 "2016-07-06T19:44:43Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > Some people pay extra for that. Twenty dollars; same as in town. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1097 "2016-07-06T20:08:21Z")
All right. The Carlson information is really off topic and going south in a hurry. Stick to the actual topic of the thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1098 "2016-07-17T01:52:57Z")
I wasn’t a bit surprised to see this headline on the Fox News front page: “Obama administration to blame for coup attempt in Turkey?” ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1099 "2016-07-17T02:52:45Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I wasn’t a bit surprised to see this headline on the Fox News front page: > “Obama administration to blame for coup attempt in Turkey?” Yeah, the question mark is what makes this acceptable in their eyes. They’re just asking. They do this a lot. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1100 "2016-07-17T04:10:59Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Yeah, the question mark is what makes this acceptable in their eyes. They’re just asking. They do this a lot. That’s a “Cavuto mark”, according to Jon Stewart. Neil Cavuto is just asking questions, you know? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=56)