# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1261 "2016-12-23T18:18:47Z")
What’s wrong with all the sources in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1262 "2016-12-23T18:21:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What’s wrong with all the sources in this thread? I asked you to show me sources showing that Fox lies the most than the other networks, why’s that so hard to do? I’ve already been through the thread and I didn’t see anything comparing it to other networks, just boilerplate rants about stuff such as how Bill O’Reilly says there’s a “War on Christmas” or whatever. So nope, so far this just looks like another “list of reasons why Faux News sucks” thread that’s been done do death by a million other partisans before, a lot of it probably from people who complain about the bias of Fox News pundits while using Ed Schultz, Bill Maher, or Jon Stewart as their primary “news” sources, not a serious discussion or comparison of Fox to the other networks. In other words, people who just hate that Fox’s bias isn’t in the other direction, as opposed to serious journalistic organizations like FactCheck which objectively point out bias and inaccuracies on all of the networks. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1263 "2016-12-23T18:27:25Z")
So do you have actual sources backing up your claim that Fox lies the most of the 3 Cable Networks, or are you just repeating something you think ‘you heard’ on talk radio shows like Thom Hartmann? If you prove with sources that Fox lies the most or is the most biased then I’ll admit defeat, if you just want to rant about something Bill O’Reilly said back in 2005 about a war on Christmas, or something like that, I could care less. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1264 "2016-12-23T18:31:56Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Show me the sources with the statistics. Click the link I provided ([here it is again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16771193&postcount=307)!) and you will find them. They’re right there in the post. If you can’t be bothered to click through twice and read, I can’t be bothered to manually copy a half-dozen links. > [@](#): > > You’re claiming that Fox News watchers rank lower in polls on general informed-ness than watchers of the other networks. Fair enough, should be easy to post the source in question. I _did_. > [@](#): > > Cool story bro. Are you just arguing how much you think they’re dishonest charlatans, or are you claiming that they’re more dishonest and slanted than Ed Schultz or any of the pundits on MSNBC or the other networks? Yes. Yes, I am. Look, there’s 26 _pages_ of examples here. If you want to point out similar lies or errors from other news networks, be my guest. But to just dismiss all of this because we haven’t directly analyzed every clip on each network is folly. You’re setting an impossible standard. For what it’s worth, Politifact _did_ investigate MSNBC and CNN alongside FOX news, [and they found FOX to be the most dishonest](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/sep/16/fact-checking-fox-msnbc-and-cnn-punditfacts-networ/). ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1265 "2016-12-23T18:37:29Z")
Okay I read the first 8 pages of the thread and the only study I found was a Huffington Post story about how Fox viewers rank less informed on certain polls: > **[Study: Fox News Viewers Least Informed](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-news-less-informed-new-study_n_1538914)** > > Study: Fox News Viewers Least Informed Apparently Fox viewers fared worse than the average on domestic and international questions, and Fox and MSNBC both faired worse than the average on international questions - (Though allegedly Fairleigh Dickinson University’s undergraduate program is ranked as one of the worst in the country, so I’m not sure how credible the poll is on the whole, and I’d be nice to see what specific questions were asked). Other than that, I just saw a bunch of whining and ranting, a bunch of people dredging up specific , as well as a couple of Humanists who seem to be angry that Fox’s ideology doesn’t tie in with their belief system, but not much in the way of actual information. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1266 "2016-12-23T18:46:27Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Okay I read the first 8 pages of the thread and the only study I found was a Huffington Post story about how Fox viewers rank less informed on certain polls: > > [Study Finds Fox News Viewers Least Informed Of All Viewers | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/23/fox-news-less-informed-new-study_n_1538914.html) > > Apparently Fox viewers fared worse than the average on domestic and international questions, and Fox and MSNBC both faired worse than the average on international questions - (Though allegedly Fairleigh Dickinson University’s undergraduate program is ranked as one of the worst in the country, so I’m not sure how credible the poll is on the whole, and I’d be nice to see what specific questions were asked). > > Other than that, I just saw a bunch of whining and ranting, a bunch of people dredging up specific , as well as a couple of Humanists who seem to be angry that Fox’s ideology doesn’t tie in with their belief system, but not much in the way of actual information. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16771193&postcount=307](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16771193&postcount=307) See that blue (or grey) underlined thingy above? That is a link. A link to a post. If you click on it, your browser will open a new tab, where you will be able to read the post, which cites 7 studies and polls examining the honesty and trusthworthiness of FOX news. This is now the third time I have linked you to this. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1267 "2016-12-23T19:02:23Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16771193&postcount=307](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16771193&postcount=307) > > See that blue (or grey) underlined thingy above? That is a link. A link to a post. If you click on it, your browser will open a new tab, where you will be able to read the post, which cites 7 studies and polls examining the honesty and trusthworthiness of FOX news. This is now the third time I have linked you to this. Didn’t you even **read** the sources you cited? > **[Jon Stewart, Fox News & PolitiFact](https://www.politifact.com/article/2011/jun/22/jon-stewart-fox-news-politifact/)** > > Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart told the Fox News Channel on Sunday: "Who are the most consistently misinformed media viewe \*Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart told the Fox News Channel on Sunday: “Who are the most consistently misinformed media viewers? … Fox viewers, consistently, every poll.” **That’s False, PolitiFact National determined.** \* You just posted a source _debunking_ a misinformed comment by Jon Stewart which you were trying to claim, lol Other than that you have this, cool I’ll give you that: _As shown in Table 1, more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists’ claims about global warming_ And this: _Frequency of Misperceptions: Evidence of al-Qaeda Links, WMD Found, World Public Opinion Favorable Respondents with one or more misperceptions NBC CBS ABC Fox CNN PBS-NPR Print media 55% 71% 80% 61% 47%_ And two of your links don’t work: [http://comm.osu.edu/](http://comm.osu.edu/) [http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/dec10/Misinformation\_Dec10\_rpt.pdf](http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/dec10/Misinformation_Dec10_rpt.pdf) But the fact that you posted a link debunking a claim you were trying to make yourself makes me think you didn’t even read any of the sources you posted. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1268 "2016-12-23T19:02:42Z")
Foxsnews has been “Middle Left” at best for last 5 Years (With Geraldo & Juan Williams and Shep holding down the Fort … ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1269 "2016-12-23T19:12:05Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Show me the sources with the statistics. > > You’re claiming that Fox News watchers rank lower in polls on general informed-ness than watchers of the other networks. Fair enough, should be easy to post the source in question. [http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/localopinioncolumnists/does-fox-news-mislead-its-viewers/](http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/localopinioncolumnists/does-fox-news-mislead-its-viewers/) > [@](#): > > A [2011 Kaiser Family Foundation](https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/8148.pdf) survey found that Fox viewers were much more ill-informed about the Affordable Care Act than those of CNN or MSNBC. > > An[NBC survey in 2009](https://books.google.com/books?id=QMdXEUxOApgC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=NBC+survey+in+2009+found+that+%E2%80%9C72+percent+of+self-identified+Fox+News&source=bl&ots=TfZS8abMRy&sig=ydW3PH5VELfIoyJQZCqzLnWlX08&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOsZ-a-4rRAhUC-mMKHZfHBDoQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=NBC%20survey%20in%202009%20found%20that%20%E2%80%9C72%20percent%20of%20self-identified%20Fox%20News&f=false) found that “72 percent of self-identified Fox News viewers believe the health care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79 percent of them say it will lead to a government takeover . . .” > > A [2011 survey by the Public Religion Institute](http://www.prri.org/research/2011-american-values-survey/) found that Fox viewers were more likely to believe that whites are as discriminated against as members of minority groups. > > The Program on International Policy Attitudes did a survey in 2010 [about misinformation during the 2010 election](https://www.uakron.edu/dotAsset/1671856.pdf). Out of 11 false claims studied in the survey, the survey found that Fox News viewers were “significantly more likely” to believe nine of these falsehoods, than those who watched other networks. > > A [2010 Stanford survey](https://woods.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/files/Global-Warming-Fox-News.pdf)found that “more exposure to Fox News was associated with more rejection of many mainstream scientists’ claims about global warming.” > > A [2003 University of Maryland study](http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/IraqMedia_Oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf)found that Fox viewers were the worst informed about the Iraq War of any major network. Fox viewers in a follow-up study in 2010 were found to be more misinformed about domestic issues than those getting their news elsewhere. A 2011 survey found that Fox viewers were consistently more likely to have an incorrect understanding of both domestic and foreign issues than those getting their news from other major media. And, amazingly, a 2012 study found that people who watched only Fox News scored significantly worse on both foreign and domestic questions than those who had watched no media at all. > > Finally, [Fox News was fined in September in England because](http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-34317107): “Factual programmes or items or portrayals of factual matters must not materially mislead the audience.” Fox News’ defense was basically that their program was an opinion-based format and not intended to be factual. > > I fully realize that Fox watchers will likely reject all of these surveys because, well, they watch Fox. Links added by me just because they were really not hard to find. > [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > As far as lies, I don’t give a crap unless you’re going to compare it to the other networks, if the thread is simply dredging up a bunch of Fox News lies with nothing for comparison, then I’m not interested since that’s just partisan propaganda, not proving that Fox lies the most of the 3 cable networks. As others noted, you have not read the thread, even one very stubborn defender already in the thread had to acknowledge that regarding Climate Change Fox News is more willing to misled or lie to their audience. > **[Fox News' Top 10 Lies About Climate Science](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-top-10-lies-about-climate-science)** > > Rolling Stone recently included News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch in its list of politicians and executives it contends are "blocking progress on global warming," writing that "Murdoch's entire media empire, it would seem, is set up to deny, deny, deny."... > [@](#): > > Rolling Stone recently included News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch in its list of politicians and executives it contends are “blocking progress on global warming,” writing that “Murdoch’s entire media empire, it would seem, is set up to deny, deny, deny.” Indeed, for years, Fox News has done more than any other major news outlet in the United States to sow confusion about climate change, as this list of Fox News’ top 10 climate science distortions demonstrates. > [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Cool story bro. Are you just arguing how much you think they’re dishonest charlatans, or are you claiming that they’re more dishonest and slanted than Ed Schultz or any of the pundits on MSNBC or the other networks? > > And if so, then happily present some sources for comparison of Fox Pundits with MSNBC pundits, instead of just ranting on and on again about how much you personally detest Hannity, or O’Reilly. > > If you want to prove Fox is the worst of the 3, you’re gonna have to compare them side-by-side, not just search the internet for every negative thing you can find about Fox while ignoring the other networks. > **[MSNBC, Fox, CNN move the needle on our Truth-O-Meter scorecards](https://www.politifact.com/article/2015/jan/27/msnbc-fox-cnn-move-needle-our-truth-o-meter-scorec/)** > > MSNBC and CNN have improved ever so slightly on our TV network scorecards, while Fox News has moved a touch in the oppos > [@](#): > > At Fox and Fox News, 10 percent of the claims we’ve rated have been True, 11 percent Mostly True, 18 percent Half True, 21 percent Mostly False, 31 percent False and nine percent Pants on Fire. > > That means about 60 percent of the claims we’ve checked have been rated Mostly False or worse. Here’s how it breaks down (as of Jan. 27, 2015): > > At MSNBC and NBC, 44 percent of claims have received a rating of Mostly False or worse. The full breakdown: > > And as for CNN? It has the best record among the cable networks, as 80 percent of of the claims we’ve rated are Half True or better. > **[Survey: NPR's listeners best-informed, Fox viewers worst-informed - Poynter](https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2012/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/)** > > From person-to-person coaching and intensive hands-on seminars to interactive online courses and media reporting, Poynter helps journalists sharpen skills and elevate storytelling throughout their careers. > [@](#): > > People who watch MSNBC and CNN exclusively can answer more questions about domestic events than people who watch no news at all. People who only watch Fox did much worse. NPR listeners answered more questions correctly than people in any other category. > [@](#): > > Interestingly, the results of the poll controlled for partisanship. MSNBC, Fox and talk radio consumers answered more questions correctly when their political views aligned with those of the outlets they preferred. Moderates and liberals who watched only Fox did worse than conservatives who watched it. This mirrored the results at MSNBC, where a conservative viewer could be expected to answer an average of .71 international questions correctly, for example, and a liberal viewer could be expected to answer 1.89 questions correctly. “None of the other news media had effects that depended on ideology,” says the report. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1270 "2016-12-23T19:27:17Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/localopinioncolumnists/does-fox-news-mislead-its-viewers/](http://www.dailyrepublic.com/opinion/localopinioncolumnists/does-fox-news-mislead-its-viewers/) > Links added by me just because they were really not hard to find. > As others noted, you have not read the thread, even one very stubborn defender already in the thread had to acknowledge that regarding Climate Change Fox News is more willing to misled or lie to their audience. > > [http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/02/01/fox-news-top-10-lies-about-climate-science/175811](http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/02/01/fox-news-top-10-lies-about-climate-science/175811) > > [PolitiFact | MSNBC, Fox, CNN move the needle on our Truth-O-Meter scorecards](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/jan/27/msnbc-fox-cnn-move-needle-our-truth-o-meter-scorec/) > [Survey: NPR's listeners best-informed, Fox viewers worst-informed - Poynter](http://www.poynter.org/2012/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/174826/) Fair enough then, that’s better than the others. So it seems CNN is the most reliable of the Cable News Networks, which was the opinion I was leaning toward to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1271 "2016-12-23T19:30:07Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Didn’t you even **read** the sources you cited? > > [PolitiFact | Jon Stewart, Fox News & PolitiFact](http://www.politifact.com/texas/article/2011/jun/22/jon-stewart-fox-news-politifact/) > > \*Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart told the Fox News Channel on Sunday: “Who are the most consistently misinformed media viewers? … Fox viewers, consistently, every poll.” > > **That’s False, PolitiFact National determined.** \* Did you actually watch the video, or read any of the cites? The point of that link was to point out just how often FOX News lies. The fact is if you go back and read Politifact’s original ruling on Stewart’ statement, you’ll find: > **[Jon Stewart says those who watch Fox News are the "most consistently...](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/jun/20/jon-stewart/jon-stewart-says-those-who-watch-fox-news-are-most/)** > > EDITOR'S NOTE: On the June 21, 2011, edition of The Daily Show, Jon Stewart accepted our False verdict and apologized, s So we have three Pew studies that superficially rank Fox viewers low on the well-informed list, but in several of the surveys, Fox isn’t the lowest, and other general-interest media outlets – such as network news shows, network morning shows and even the other cable news networks – often score similarly low. Stewart’s claim was wrong. My claim is that FOX News viewers are always near the bottom, is _accurate_. My apologies for the old links, that was several years ago. I welcome you to find the studies yourself if you’d like, or see if you can find any studies that don’t put FOX near the bottom of the barrel. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1272 "2016-12-23T19:33:33Z")
The Clinton News Network (CNN) is just MSDNC with a bigger budget & moar gravitas … RT is in a power struggle between Far Left & Far Right elements that pull the strings there. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1273 "2016-12-23T19:39:12Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > The Clinton News Network (CNN) is just MSDNC with a bigger budget & moar gravitas … RT is in a power struggle between Far Left & Far Right elements that pull the strings there. That’s cool but that’s just your opinion, like the bandwagon here who hates Fox unless you want to give specific sources. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1274 "2016-12-23T19:42:41Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > The Clinton News Network (CNN) is just MSDNC with a bigger budget & moar gravitas … RT is in a power struggle between Far Left & Far Right elements that pull the strings there. No, CNN and MSNBC are actually extremist communist revolutionaries, while Fox News is almost as far left, comfortably in the “Che Guevara” section. Rush Limbaugh might as well be Noam Chomsky. Alex Jones is closer to the middle, but still almost as liberal as pinko Barack Obama. If you really want moderate news, you’ll have to check the KKK’s newspaper. Conservative news hasn’t existed since the downfall of the state-run German papers in the 30s. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1275 "2016-12-23T19:49:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, CNN and MSNBC are actually extremist communist revolutionaries, while Fox News is almost as far left, comfortably in the “Che Guevara” section. Rush Limbaugh might as well be Noam Chomsky. Alex Jones is closer to the middle, but still almost as liberal as pinko Barack Obama. If you really want moderate news, you’ll have to check the KKK’s newspaper. Conservative news hasn’t existed since the downfall of the state-run German papers in the 30s. There is no “Far Right” in mainstream American Politics anymore (Not since George Wallace (D) WON the Michigan & Florida Democrat POTUS Primaries (among others) in 1972 and BTW the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan was litigated out of existence in 1986 by the SPLC and all current incarnations are wannabes & splinter groups. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1276 "2016-12-23T19:54:56Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Fair enough then, that’s better than the others. > > So it seems CNN is the most reliable of the Cable News Networks, which was the opinion I was leaning toward to begin with. And even that (That CNN could be the most reliable) is talking in proportion, IMHO there is not a lot to be desired from the big networks regarding the previous election. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/JUgE2noj-bo/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump Supporter Tells US Citizen "Get Out Of My Country"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgE2noj-bo) > [@](#): > > Jorge Ramos, a reporter for Univision, was kicked out of a Donald Trump press conference recently. Eventually he was allowed back in to answer questions. In the meanwhile a Trump supporter confronted Ramos and told him to get out of the country. Cenk Uygur delivers his Final Judgment on what “our country” means. Thing is that I remember then The Young Turks also pointing later at the cowardice that even MSNBC got into when looking themselves about how the media dropped any pretense at reporting how unfit Trump was really. (Prejudice and lack of a thick skin on Trump was ignored) Another report later showed a clip of MSNBC reporters just poo pooing the danger that Jorge Ramos had pointed at. It really was a big reminder to me of how, even if an outfit like MSNBC could be called liberal, the bottom line about ratings in the corporate press remains. The choice then was made, continue to offer free press to El Trompo rather than pound on the inadequacies so as to continue to gain access to Trump and the ratings he was giving them. In the end not even MSNBC (nor CNN) had the guts to do the very hard hitting reporting that was needed. > **['The Blacklist': Here are the media outlets banned by Donald Trump](https://money.cnn.com/2016/06/14/media/donald-trump-media-blacklist/)** > > Reporters from these newsrooms have been blocked from receiving Trump campaign press credentials. Anyhow, what really should fry your noodle is that even taking all that into account FOX news is much worse than MSNBC and CNN. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1277 "2016-12-23T20:01:07Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > The Clinton News Network (CNN) is just MSDNC with a bigger budget & moar gravitas … RT is in a power struggle between Far Left & Far Right elements that pull the strings there. Too simple and wrong, IMHO a better sample on who had the guts of not caring what Trump could say or to not fear the loss of ratings for not having access, were in the list in the cite posted in the previous post. (Remember, corporate press that looks leftist in reality will toss progressives under the bus if it gives them more ratings as in the previous election) You should notice that CNN and MSNBC did not made the cut on the list. > **['The Blacklist': Here are the media outlets banned by Donald Trump](https://money.cnn.com/2016/06/14/media/donald-trump-media-blacklist/)** > > Reporters from these newsrooms have been blocked from receiving Trump campaign press credentials. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1278 "2016-12-23T20:05:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And even that (That CNN could be the most reliable) is talking in proportion, IMHO there is not a lot to be desired from the big networks regarding the previous election. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgE2noj-bo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgE2noj-bo) > Thing is that I remember then The Young Turks also pointing later at the cowardice that even MSNBC got into when looking themselves about how the media dropped any pretense at reporting how unfit Trump was really. (Prejudice and lack of a thick skin on Trump was ignored) > > Another report later showed a clip of MSNBC reporters just poo pooing the danger that Jorge Ramos had pointed at. It really was a big reminder to me of how, even if an outfit like MSNBC could be called liberal, the bottom line about ratings in the corporate press remains. > > The choice then was made, continue to offer free press to El Trompo rather than pound on the inadequacies so as to continue to gain access to Trump and the ratings he was giving them. > > In the end not even MSNBC (nor CNN) had the guts to do the very hard hitting reporting that was needed. > > ['The Blacklist': Here are the media outlets banned by Donald Trump](http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/14/media/donald-trump-media-blacklist/) > > Anyhow, what really should fry your noodle is that even taking all that into account FOX news is much worse than MSNBC and CNN. MSDNC & CNN & ALL the Alphabet Channels were on a zeitgeist against Trump in final months of the Election , any other viewpoint about this is sketchy at best… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1279 "2016-12-23T20:09:03Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > MSDNC & CNN & ALL the Alphabet Channels were on a zeitgeist against Trump in final months of the Election , any other viewpoint about this is sketchy at best… Yeah, how DARE they report the truth about Der Trumpenfeuhrer… ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1280 "2016-12-23T20:10:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yeah, how DARE they report the truth about Der Trumpenfeuhrer… Godwin’s law, seriously? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=65)