# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1281 "2016-12-23T20:12:02Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Godwin’s law, seriously? :rolleyes: Fine. Il Douche, then. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1282 "2016-12-23T20:14:14Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > MSDNC & CNN & ALL the Alphabet Channels were on a zeitgeist against Trump in final months of the Election , any other viewpoint about this is sketchy at best… Still wrong. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/09/20/is-the-media-biased-toward-clinton-or-trump-heres-some-actual-hard-data/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/09/20/is-the-media-biased-toward-clinton-or-trump-heres-some-actual-hard-data/) > [@](#): > > The first thing that jumped out at us when we started examining our data was the sheer number of headlines in which Donald Trump’s name appeared. Across the eight outlets, we found Trump’s name mentioned in a total of 14,924 article headlines from July 1, 2015, to Aug. 31, 2016. Clinton has been mentioned in less than half that amount. > > Both candidates’ mentions have increased over the course of the campaign, although the increase in Trump’s mentions occurred earlier and at a faster rate than Clinton’s. Before August, Trump’s peak month was March 2016, largely driven by the increased coverage surrounding his presumptive nomination. > [@](#): > > The short answer is that it varies over time and appears to depend on the most salient events. For example, Donald Trump’s worst weeks may have come in November 2015, around the time he suggested the need for a national database of Muslim citizens and also mocked a disabled New York Times reporter. The tone of Clinton’s media coverage seems to have suffered most when her private email server scandal came to the fore once again in early July 2016. > > More broadly, it seems that tone is more volatile now. Earlier in the year, from mid-December through early April, the tone of Clinton’s coverage was consistently more positive than Trump’s when averaged across all eight outlets. > > After that, the tone of Clinton’s coverage swung from her most positive week over the entire campaign in early June to her most negative in the span of four weeks. The tone of Trump’s coverage, meanwhile, has tended to decline since mid-April. > > But over the past several weeks — and our data goes through Sept. 13 — no candidate has had a consistent advantage. What I do complain is that Trump really did not deserve any advantage that the media gave to him. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1283 "2016-12-23T20:42:11Z")
The MSM was not Pro Trump and painting as such is alternate universe , The overwhelming majority of Talking Heads were like Maddow (Dr. Wesley Crusher) and they rarely withheld their contempt … (One example) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1284 "2016-12-23T20:49:10Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > The MSM was not Pro Trump and painting as such is alternate universe , The overwhelming majority of Talking Heads were like Maddow (Dr. Wesley Crusher) and they rarely withheld their contempt … (One example) I think you are confusing what I’m saying about the false equivalence that most of the media fell over with “they were pro Trump”. I’m not really saying that. As the last cite showed, the problem was that the mainstream media propped up Trump make the race a horse race. The propping up was limited once the result the media needed was reached. So. you are wrong again regarding what I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1285 "2016-12-23T20:54:50Z")
I would rather watch Bill O’Liely ( Middle of the roader with far too many Liberal Friends & Underlings to go off deep end and piss them off) than Maddow (Dr. WesleyCrusher) or any of the other Closet Far Left ideologues of MSM … ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1286 "2016-12-23T21:46:23Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > I would rather watch Bill O’Liely ( Middle of the roader with far too many Liberal Friends & Underlings to go off deep end and piss them off) than Maddow (Dr. WesleyCrusher) or any of the other Closet Far Left ideologues of MSM … They’re not even in the closet – O’Reilly might as well join a commune, as anti-capitalist and pro-communism as he is. Based on all your downplaying of the insane communist left in the media, I suspect that you’re a big ol’ lefty too. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1287 "2016-12-23T21:52:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > They’re not even in the closet – O’Reilly might as well join a commune, as anti-capitalist and pro-communism as he is. Based on all your downplaying of the insane communist left in the media, I suspect that you’re a big ol’ lefty too. Nah , I’m Gator Monroe (Slummin as Donpeyote) and I’m really itchin to change my user name here as “Donpeyote” dates back to 2006 and it lacks the street cred I attained getting banned from Democrat Underground and various other Political forum boards for clash of the genius battles (settled by Banhammer) with CPUSA SEIU street rabble espousing their twaddle… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1288 "2016-12-23T21:55:16Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > CPUSA SEIU Yeeeeahhh…I’m realizing there isn’t even any entertainment value in this one. The real mystery is how it managed to be here for 10 years without catching my notice… ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1289 "2016-12-23T21:56:14Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > Nah , I’m Gator Monroe (Slummin as Donpeyote) and I’m really itchin to change my user name here as “Donpeyote” dates back to 2006 and it lacks the street cred I attained getting banned from Democrat Underground and various other Political forum boards for clash of the genius battles (settled by Banhammer) with CPUSA SEIU street rabble espousing their twaddle… You joined Democratic Underground? I knew you were a lefty! ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1290 "2016-12-23T21:58:33Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yeeeeahhh…I’m realizing there isn’t even any entertainment value in this one. The real mystery is how it managed to be here for 10 years without catching my notice… I can’t believe you have not caught wind of “Gator Monroe” ,Donpeyote I can understand though …:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1291 "2016-12-23T22:00:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You joined Democratic Underground? I knew you were a lefty! I also was banned from Stormfront , now are you going to say "You joined Stormfront ? I knew you were Alt Right !.. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1292 "2016-12-23T22:01:45Z")
Who wants a list ? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1293 "2016-12-23T22:02:05Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > I also was banned from Stormfront , now are you going to say "You joined Stormfront ? I knew you were Alt Right !.. The “alt-right” are lefties in disguise. Not surprised that you joined another lefty/alt-right board. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1294 "2016-12-23T22:10:40Z")
As a Shasta County CCW Holder and Sergeant in the Northern California State Militia and GOP voter since Second Reagan Term (Only reason I voted for Viva Juan McCain was his VP pick though) I am not flattered that you think I’m a Swarthy uncut heathen lefty …:smack: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1295 "2016-12-23T22:11:47Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > As a Shasta County CCW Holder and Sergeant in the Northern California State Militia and GOP voter since Second Reagan Term (Only reason I voted for Viva Juan McCain was his VP pick though) I am not flattered that you think I’m a Swarthy uncut heathen lefty …:smack: Can you please expand on why “swarthy” is a bad thing? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1296 "2016-12-23T23:11:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Can you please expand on why “swarthy” is a bad thing? It’s got ‘war’ right in there! Also ‘wart’, but that’s less unnerving. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1297 "2016-12-23T23:25:25Z")
Please explain why having “Issues” with Far Left is a bad thing ?😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1298 "2016-12-23T23:37:43Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > Please explain why having “Issues” with Far Left is a bad thing ?😃 Among other things, it requires a good definition of “Far Left”. I suggest that anyone who thinks, for instance, that Obama or the Clintons represent the “Far Left”, that person needs their politics recalibrated. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1299 "2016-12-23T23:39:38Z")
> [@Donpeyote](#): > > Please explain why having “Issues” with Far Left is a bad thing ?😃 That’s a great American thing. But I’m curious about the “swarthy” thing. Why is that negative? ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1300 "2016-12-23T23:40:10Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Among other things, it requires a good definition of “Far Left”. > > I suggest that anyone who thinks, for instance, that Obama or the Clintons represent the “Far Left”, that person needs their politics recalibrated. Ditto , same goes for anyone who thinks El Rushbo or Savage or Levin or Ingraham are “Far Right” …😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=66)