# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1541 "2017-08-18T01:43:35Z")
“Tucker Carlson attacks tech companies for banning white supremacists” > **[Tucker Carlson attacks tech companies for banning white supremacists](https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-attacks-tech-companies-banning-white-supremacists)** > > From the August 16 edition of Fox News' Tucker Carlson Tonight: ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1542 "2017-08-18T19:26:08Z")
> [@ralfy](#): > > “Tucker Carlson attacks tech companies for banning white supremacists” > > [https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/08/16/tucker-carlson-attacks-tech-companies-banning-white-supremacists/217670](https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/08/16/tucker-carlson-attacks-tech-companies-banning-white-supremacists/217670) “The only thing that could make what happened in Charlottesville worse is if we allowed a small number of people in power to make America less tolerant and less free in its aftermath.” Yes, we all need to be more tolerant of white supremacists. :mad: Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1543 "2017-08-19T00:00:30Z")
So, I regularly check out Fox for short amounts of time. It takes a strong stomach but I like knowing exactly what crap their viewers are consuming- it gives me some insights into their behavior. I have found that the “Fake News” (CNN and MSNBC) have been largely silent on the numerous protests that will be taking place around the country. They seem too trying not to be incendiary or fuel the flames. Not so with Fox There are running non-stop stories about the “violent” protests planned for tomorrow and how the leftist radicals are trying to shut down the civil rights of peaceful Nazis. OK, they actually pay lip service to “both sides do it” but the photos and actual coverage is mostly about the radical alt-left. Which I’m finding sort of scary since these neo-Nazi gunslingers are sniveling cowards and scared of their own shadows. And some of them, where it’s legal, will have semi-automatic weapons I wish Fox would be more responsible. This isn’t going to end well and they know it. And on a lighter note CNN needs to send in a hostage rescue force for Shepard Smith. He’s pushing back hard against the Fox party line- ---
**Author:** ![ralfy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ralfy/32/600_2.png) [@ralfy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralfy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1544 "2017-08-19T03:20:19Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > “The only thing that could make what happened in Charlottesville worse is if we allowed a small number of people in power to make America less tolerant and less free in its aftermath.” > > Yes, we all need to be more tolerant of white supremacists. :mad: > > Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk I shared something about that in another thread: Karl Popper and the “Paradox of tolerance” > [@](#): > > Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. > **[Paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)** > > The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. Karl Popper describes the paradox as arising from the fact that, in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance. > One of the earliest formulations of "paradox of tolerance" is given in the notes of Karl Popper's The Open Society ... ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1545 "2017-08-19T06:19:21Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > …Yes, we all need to be more tolerant of white supremacists… It is an unfortunate truth that several white supremacists infiltrated themselves into an otherwise respectable gathering of white nationalists. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1546 "2017-09-10T02:53:11Z")
Eric Bolling’s 19-year-old son was found dead last night in Colorado (he’s a student at the University of Colorado). No report on how he died. Not a bad Fox News report, just bad news in general. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1547 "2017-09-10T03:19:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Eric Bolling’s 19-year-old son was found dead last night in Colorado (he’s a student at the University of Colorado). No report on how he died. > Not a bad Fox News report, just bad news in general. Just a few hours after Fox announced Bolling had lost his job in the wake of sexual harassment claims. Curious. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1548 "2017-09-11T08:35:12Z")
Bolling is a massive douche but no parent should have to bury their own children, especially ones so young. My heart genuinely goes out to the man. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1549 "2017-09-11T15:07:54Z")
Bolling was a big Trump supporter, so the kid’s blood is on Donald’s hands, now! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1550 "2017-09-11T15:42:21Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Bolling was a big Trump supporter, so the kid’s blood is on Donald’s hands, now! Unless the kid was strangled by someone with tiny hands, I’m missing something here. Or is this the new “Thanks, Obama!”? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1551 "2017-09-12T17:12:07Z")
Brian Kilmeade wonders if, sometime in the future, 9/11 memorials will be torn down just like Confederate memorials are. > **[‘Fox & Friends’ Host Asks If 9/11 Memorial Will Face Same Fate As...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-friends-compares-911-memorials-to-confederate-statues_n_59b696ace4b0b5e53107ad6b)** > > Brian Kilmeade offers a perfect example of false equivalency. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1552 "2017-09-12T17:52:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Brian Kilmeade wonders if, sometime in the future, 9/11 memorials will be torn down just like Confederate memorials are. > [‘Fox & Friends’ Host Asks If 9/11 Memorial Will Face Same Fate As Confederate Statues | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-friends-compares-911-memorials-to-confederate-statues_us_59b696ace4b0b5e53107ad6b) That memorial in New Jersey that was put up by the thousands of cheering muslims on 9-11-01 should probably come down. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1553 "2017-09-12T21:24:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > That memorial in New Jersey that was put up by the thousands of cheering muslims on 9-11-01 should probably come down. That was the statue honoring Mohammad Atta, right? You’re wanting to erase history! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1554 "2017-09-14T17:34:25Z")
Ran across something disturbing, > [@"\[ars](#): > > ([New analysis suggests Fox News is working, shifting votes to R column | Ars Technica](https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/new-analysis-suggests-fox-news-is-working-shifting-votes-to-r-column/))"]controversy” > While it has presented itself as “balanced” over the years, there’s little doubt that Fox News has consistently supported Republican candidates and positions even when that required taking [an editorial position against basic facts](https://arstechnica.com/science/2010/12/fox-news-on-climate-skip-the-science-report-the-controversy/). On some level, this has worked, as surveys have indicated Fox viewers are more likely to get those same facts wrong. But is it working in terms of the larger goal of supporting Republican causes? According to a new study, the answer is yes. > … > (Researchers Gregory Martin and Ali Yurukoglu): “We estimate that removing Fox News from cable television during the 2000 election cycle would have reduced the overall Republican presidential vote share by 0.46 percentage points,” the authors conclude. “The predicted effect increases in 2004 and 2008 to 3.59 and 6.34 percentage points, respectively. This increase is driven by increasing viewership on Fox News as well as an increasingly conservative slant.” It appears that one of their more effective strategies is to go low: grab low a channel number, because many viewers tend to surf from the bottom and stop at the first channel that looks like something. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1555 "2017-09-15T19:50:59Z")
Listened to this [story about FOX](http://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/551163406/fox-news-has-yet-to-explain-what-what-wrong-in-seth-rich-story) on my way to work this morning about FOX’s journalistic integrity in reporting on the death of Seth Rich. > [@](#): > > Zimmerman’s story cited one other key source: an unnamed law enforcement investigator. He described an FBI forensic report about Seth Rich’s computer and offered a detailed characterization of Rich’s interactions with WikiLeaks. > > Yet the FBI tells NPR the agency has not participated in investigating the Rich case. > > Since the story, Fox hasn’t mentioned that source again. For months, the network declined to say whether it stands by the source — or whether it has confirmed his existence. > [@](#): > > A Dallas investment manager and Trump supporter named Ed Butowsky helped to orchestrate the Fox News story. Butowsky was the one who suggested to the Riches that they should hire a private investigator. He picked Wheeler to work for the Riches. Butowsky paid Wheeler too. > > Both Butowsky and Wheeler were longtime Fox News commentators. (Butowsky was unpaid; Wheeler was paid per appearance.) > > And Butowsky fed tips to Wheeler and Zimmerman, the Fox reporter, as he sought to link the dead man to the leaked emails, instead of hackers working on behalf of the Russians. It was all part of an effort, as he confided to others in conversations captured on tape and emails, to defend President Trump, whose ties to the Russians are under federal investigation. > [@](#): > > Wheeler told a reporter for the Fox-owned local station in Washington, D.C., that a law enforcement source had verified Rich’s involvement with WikiLeaks: “Absolutely. That’s confirmed.” > > But Wheeler said in his lawsuit that source wasn’t his at all. He alleged he first heard about the source days earlier from Butowsky and Zimmerman. It was their source, not his, he said. > > In a three-way taped conversation that took place a few hours after the Seth Rich story ran, Butowsky and Zimmerman conceded Wheeler had never said what her story claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1556 "2017-09-19T18:18:22Z")
Scottie Nell Hughes is suing Fox News for retaliating against her after she came forward and told them that Fox anchor Charles Payne had raped her. > **[Conservative Analyst Scottie Nell Hughes Sues Fox News Over Handling Of Rape...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-analyst-scottie-nell-hughes-222603029.html)** > > She hopes "justice will prevent other women from going through the nightmare" she's experiencing. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1557 "2017-09-19T19:24:03Z")
Tucker Carlson, whose stepmother is heiress to the Swanson frozen food fortune and who grew up in luxury, moans about the “elites” who don’t care about multimillionaire Trump’s concerns for the middle class. > **[Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News...](https://www.foxnews.com/)** > > Breaking News, Latest News and Current News from FOXNews.com. Breaking news and video. Latest Current News: U.S., World, Entertainment, Health, Business, Technology, Politics, Sports. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1558 "2017-10-21T02:59:36Z")
Health insurance is heroin? 😕 > [@](#): > > Fox host **Lisa “Kennedy” Montgomery** has doubled down on her war on Americans’ health insurance through Obamacare. The next thing you know, she’ll be demanding that health insurance be made illegal altogether. > > You may recall that last month, Kennedy called the **Affordable Care Act** (“Obamacare”) “ **immoral** ” and claimed it caused “ **human suffering**.” > > On Thursday’s Outnumbered, Kennedy interrupted a discussion about a bipartisan Senate deal to restore the cost sharing subsidies that are critical to Obamacare, to attack the ACA as a whole. “We’re **addicted to Obamacare**. **Obamacare is heroin** , the **subsidies are methadone**.” Read more at [Fox’s Kennedy Calls Obamacare 'Heroin' - NewsHounds](http://www.newshounds.us/fox_s_kennedy_calls_obamacare_heroin_102017#RSd2kfiXEg1dayMu.99) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1559 "2017-10-21T03:04:17Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Health insurance is heroin? 😕 > > Read more at [Fox’s Kennedy Calls Obamacare 'Heroin' - NewsHounds](http://www.newshounds.us/fox_s_kennedy_calls_obamacare_heroin_102017#RSd2kfiXEg1dayMu.99) Once you’ve experienced a hit of health, you just want more and more. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1560 "2017-10-27T18:05:32Z")
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