# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1621 "2017-12-15T17:01:52Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > People watching this must be borderline simpletons. ‘Borderline’? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1622 "2017-12-18T02:21:35Z")
Republican strategist Steve Schmidt did a massive take-down of Fox on December 15th: > [@](#): > > “That Fox News panel––the breathtaking dishonesty of it is beyond my ability to articulate. That is no longer a news organization. That is what American state media looks like. That is what White House-controlled in-the-service-of-the-president misinformation looks like. That is indistinct from propaganda in authoritarian countries. It is aimed directly at weakening essential institutions and misinforming the American people. It is appalling.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1623 "2017-12-18T02:23:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ‘Borderline’? :dubious: Yes, borderline. Thing is, they’re on the other side of that border from us. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1624 "2017-12-18T05:25:51Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Yes, borderline. Thing is, they’re on the other side of that border from us. To **Johnny L.A.** , “borderline” means something like on the edge of, barely, only just; he is implying that those particular people are clearly nowhere near the border but well into that realm. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1625 "2017-12-18T14:15:16Z")
As I pointed out in another thread, right now, as of 9:12 EST on December 18, more than half the stories and opinion pieces at the top of the Fox News webpage are dedicated to how the FBI is a corrupt organization trying to engineer a coup - and idea that is objectively false and should be laughable to any adult capable of holding down a full time job. To review, a major new organization is now primarily reporting on a conspiracy theory that is simply ludicrous and in total defiance of fact or reason. You cannot find an equivalent thing on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, or any other major news outlet. There is no comparison at all. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1626 "2017-12-18T15:04:51Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > As I pointed out in another thread, right now, as of 9:12 EST on December 18, more than half the stories and opinion pieces at the top of the Fox News webpage are dedicated to how the FBI is a corrupt organization trying to engineer a coup - and idea that is objectively false and should be laughable to any adult capable of holding down a full time job. > > To review, a major new organization is now primarily reporting on a conspiracy theory that is simply ludicrous and it total defiance of fact or reason. > > You cannot find an equivalent thing on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, or any other major news outlet. There is no comparison at all. Foxnews and many of their personalities have been deeply involved in this administration. If there is corruption that will be uncovered by the FBI, Fox might just be rallying to protect themselves. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1627 "2017-12-18T16:26:46Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > To review, a major new organization is now primarily reporting on a conspiracy theory that is simply ludicrous and in total defiance of fact or reason. > > You cannot find an equivalent thing on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, or any other major news outlet. There is no comparison at all. Iran and Iraq have secret nuclear weapons programs and want to nuke America! Be afraid! OK, so that’s not quite so silly, just USG propaganda. [CNN: Even Pokémon Go used by extensive Russian-linked meddling effort](http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/12/media/dont-shoot-us-russia-pokemon-go/index.html) [More Russia conspiracy theories.](https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-falls-apart-is-skepticism-permissible-yet/) ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1628 "2017-12-19T03:03:59Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Iran and Iraq have secret nuclear weapons programs and want to nuke America! Be afraid! OK, so that’s not quite so silly, just USG propaganda. Right: that’s completely apples and oranges. The media reported what the claims of the US and UK governments were. That those claims turned out to be nonsense is not the media’s fault (though they could have emphasized more what the UN and weapons inspectors were saying, and/or correspondents in the region). Meanwhile the FBI thing is a baseless claim that’s just one short step from the lizard people. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1629 "2017-12-19T03:27:46Z")
I noted this on the pit about Trump, but since it involves FOX news it has to be mentioned here: Remember how the media during the Bush ‘the lesser’ administration was accused to be a stenographer for that administration specially on the lead to the Iraq invasion? That was bad but I think it is worse when it is looking as **media like FOX is the one making the narrative now and it is the president the one that is the stenographer** : > **[The president is live-tweeting Fox News again: Amtrak edition](https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/president-live-tweeting-fox-news-again-amtrak-edition)** > [@](#): > > This is not the first time Trump has seemingly tweeted his thoughts and opinions in direct response to Fox programming. And, as is often the case, Trump’s tweets and retweets based on his consumption of Fox News are often misleading or inaccurate. In this instance, Trump’s budget request submitted earlier this year actually proposed drastically reduced investments in Amtrak and overall transportation infrastructure. Furthermore, according to transportation expert Russell Quimby who responded to Trump’s tweet on MSNBC Live, given that most of the railroad system in the United States is “private infrastructure” and “privately owned,” Trump’s proposed policy solution would probably not have affected this incident in any way: ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1630 "2017-12-19T03:31:06Z")
I think I’m going to puke. Dear Fox News: You are in a position of great influence and power. Our president is a complete moron, who gets everything he knows about the world from you. I dont expect you not to have opinions on the news…that would be too much to ask. But in the name of all that’s holy, as Americans, could you please just tell the truth? Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1631 "2017-12-21T19:43:42Z")
Sean Hannity,[chastises NBCnews for not covering a story](https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/943881108810293249). He links to the story that NBCnews is refusing to cover. The link is to [NBCnews.com](http://NBCnews.com). You can’t make up this level of stupid. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1632 "2017-12-21T20:13:34Z")
Lord God what a #$%#&% tool. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1633 "2018-01-14T13:33:25Z")
Article one: > **[Trump: London visit canceled over Obama administration decision](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-london-visit-canceled-over-obama-administration-decision)** > > President Trump has cancelled plans to visit the United Kingdom next month, according to reports out of London on Thursday. Article two: > **[Trump cancels London visit over 'bad' embassy deal | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/trump-london-trip-us-embassy-intl/index.html)** > > US President Donald Trump won't be paying a visit to London to open his country's billion-dollar embassy, he tweeted Thursday. This is why Fox News sucks, and why people who use it as their primary source of news are so ill-informed. Both articles accurately report what Trump said. Fox ends it there, giving its loyal readers the impression that Obama made a stupid deal. CNN fact-checked Trump and found that, as usual, he is lying. The decision to build a new embassy and sell the old one was made by the Bush admin in 2008, evidently because the old one could not be made secure. The consensus view outside of Foxworld is that Trump’s real reason for cancelling the trip is because he will face crowds of real people, who will boo him, rather than the hand-picked supporters who attend his rallies. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1634 "2018-01-14T15:33:51Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Article one: > [Trump: London visit canceled over Obama administration decision | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/12/trump-london-visit-canceled-over-obama-administration-decision.html) > > Article two: > [http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/trump-london-trip-us-embassy-intl/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/trump-london-trip-us-embassy-intl/index.html) > > This is why Fox News sucks, and why people who use it as their primary source of news are so ill-informed. Both articles accurately report what Trump said. Fox ends it there, giving its loyal readers the impression that Obama made a stupid deal. CNN fact-checked Trump and found that, as usual, he is lying. The decision to build a new embassy and sell the old one was made by the Bush admin in 2008, evidently because the old one could not be made secure. > > The consensus view outside of Foxworld is that Trump’s real reason for cancelling the trip is because he will face crowds of real people, who will boo him, rather than the hand-picked supporters who attend his rallies. Well of course. Any thinking person knows this. trump thought before that all of the people protesting him and his motorcade where supporters cheering him on. Perhaps someone set him down and explained the truth and the signs that he apparently can’t read. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1635 "2018-01-14T15:36:30Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Hitler wasn’t a real German Nazi either, but a cheap Austrian imitation. > > That just means in Alabama, 14 is close enough for government work. Just saw this for the first time. VERY, VERY well done. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1636 "2018-01-14T15:46:12Z")
And also, maybe it appears like they sold the Embassy for peanuts because they never owned the land it was built on. It’s a long term lease. And sort of a cool story. > **[Why the Americans don’t own their London Embassy!](http://londinoupolis.blogspot.com/2013/01/why-americans-dont-own-their-london.html)** > > The Americans have embassies all around the world. In every case they buy the land first and then build their embassy. The Americans assum... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1637 "2018-01-14T16:03:00Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And also, maybe it appears like they sold the Embassy for peanuts because they never owned the land it was built on. It’s a long term lease. And sort of a cool story. > > [http://londinoupolis.blogspot.com/2013/01/why-americans-dont-own-their-london.html](http://londinoupolis.blogspot.com/2013/01/why-americans-dont-own-their-london.html) That’s actually a _very_ cool story. Thanks for the link, **Ann**! ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1638 "2018-01-14T22:18:52Z")
And the reason that there is no click bait on FOX is you’re already there. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1639 "2018-01-16T23:28:13Z")
Foxnews had the story about Trump’s affair with a porn star before the election, but decided it wasn’t newsworthy and[shelved it.](http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/16/media/fox-news-stormy-daniels-trump/index.html) No doubt in favor of a story that Hillary Clinton’s aunt’s former roommate is a bad tipper. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1640 "2018-01-17T00:33:42Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Foxnews had the story about Trump’s affair with a porn star before the election, but decided it wasn’t newsworthy and[shelved it.](http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/16/media/fox-news-stormy-daniels-trump/index.html) No doubt in favor of a story that Hillary Clinton’s aunt’s former roommate is a bad tipper. I’m sure they would have given the same courtesy to President Obama. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=83)