# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1701 "2018-03-02T18:38:39Z")
Former Fox anchor admits it’s a straight up propaganda outlet. > **[Alisyn Camerota Loves Doing Journalism at CNN, After Doing the Opposite at...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/alisyn-camerota-loves-doing-journalism-at-cnn-after-doing-the-opposite-at-fox-news)** > > The ‘New Day’ host talks to The Daily Beast about making the transition from Fox News to CNN and why she’s so glad she quit Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1702 "2018-03-16T16:55:21Z")
This is pretty funny: [https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/974450928714747906](https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/974450928714747906) Fox lambasting Obama for reaching out to dictators and trump being hailed for … reaching out to dictators. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1703 "2018-03-16T17:21:59Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > This is pretty funny: [x.com](https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/974450928714747906) > > Fox lambasting Obama for reaching out to dictators and trump being hailed for … reaching out to dictators. I really cannot tell the difference between fox and Colbert’s Real News Tonight, anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1704 "2018-03-16T21:12:57Z")
Fox News is hard at work protecting us from the growing scandal of female teacher abuse of men [Times story](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/business/media/fox-news-women-teachers-sexual-predators.html) 30% of their sex abuse stories are of this category. Actually 9% of teacher abuse cases involve women. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1705 "2018-03-17T01:45:04Z")
In a similar vein, there is [outrage](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/03/16/outrage-over-new-yorker-mags-repulsive-body-shamping-president-trump.html) over NY Mag’s cover depicting a fat, naked president bulging out around a slender podium. Body shaming, it is! Unacceptable! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1706 "2018-03-20T22:02:19Z")
> [@](#): > > A retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and Fox News contributor quit Tuesday and denounced the network and President Donald Trump in an email to colleagues. > > “Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration,” wrote Ralph Peters, a Fox News “strategic analyst.” From his email to colleagues: > [@](#): > > I feel that Fox News is assaulting our constitutional order and the rule of law, while fostering corrosive and unjustified paranoia among viewers. Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed. > > Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration. When prime-time hosts–who have never served our country in any capacity–dismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the FBI, the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller–all the while scaremongering with lurid warnings of “deep-state” machinations-- I cannot be part of the same organization, even at a remove. To me, Fox News is now wittingly harming our system of government for profit. > > [Buzzfeed](https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters?utm_term=.tqRYLpEqW#.dhEQXp9mM) The same retired Army officer who [called Obama a “pussy”](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/fox-news-ralph-peters-quits-over-trump-coverage.html) on the network before has now concluded that Fox News has gone too far. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1707 "2018-03-20T22:43:55Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > From his email to colleagues:The same retired Army officer who [called Obama a “pussy”](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/fox-news-ralph-peters-quits-over-trump-coverage.html) on the network before has now concluded that Fox News has gone too far. Wow, you rocked my world. Before Bush II was elected, I often wondered whether the commentators on Fox News were idiots, or just so unprincipled that they would be paid to spout bullshit. After Bush II was elected, it was pretty clear that nobody could be that dumb, they had to know they were on a propaganda network rather than a news network. But now it appears that this Peters character really was an idiot. He would have to be, to have been proud of his association with Fox before now. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1708 "2018-03-21T00:37:54Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > From his email to colleagues:The same retired Army officer who [called Obama a “pussy”](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/fox-news-ralph-peters-quits-over-trump-coverage.html) on the network before has now concluded that Fox News has gone too far. Awesome — my favorite line from the letter “ Despite increasingly pathetic denials, it turns out that the nothingburger has been covered with Russian dressing all along.” Then he goes on to talk about how he feels, as an intelligence professional, that the Steele dossier rings true. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1709 "2018-03-21T00:54:53Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > From his email to colleagues:The same retired Army officer who [called Obama a “pussy”](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/fox-news-ralph-peters-quits-over-trump-coverage.html) on the network before has now concluded that Fox News has gone too far. Ralph Peters is a blood thirsty war monger in the same vein as Bill Kristol. Trump doesn’t play the neocon game and Peters can’t stand it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1710 "2018-03-21T10:28:22Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Ralph Peters is a blood thirsty war monger in the same vein as Bill Kristol. Trump doesn’t play the neocon game and Peters can’t stand it. I wasn’t aware Trump ran FoxNews. Indeed, sometimes it seems to be the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1711 "2018-03-21T14:57:51Z")
Lol, that was something of a slip, eh? Why would anyone associate fair and balanced fox news with the president? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1712 "2018-03-21T21:44:59Z")
In an effort to distract viewers from Trump’s hooker lawsuits and White House chaos, Fox News has spent the last week devoting tons of coverage to the Austin bomber. You know they were hoping he would turn out to be non-white and/or Muslim. But it turns out he’s a white Christian who posted rants against abortion and gay marriage. Virtually every other news outlet has reported this. I can find nothing on Fox about his anti-abortion stance, and only one article that mentions he posted about gay marriage, without saying that he was against it. > **[Austin serial bomber Mark Anthony Conditt: Everything we know about the...](https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-serial-bomber-mark-anthony-conditt-everything-we-know-about-the-pflugerville-resident)** > > The "serial bomber" who terrorized Texas for three weeks was revealed Wednesday to be Mark Anthony Conditt, a 24-year-old who worked in manufacturing and computer repair -- and who apparently kept his dark side hidden from neighbors and roommates... ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1713 "2018-03-23T12:30:50Z")
I caught a bit of Fox News on satellite radio during my morning drive. The host was having a minor fit over Mount Holyoke College apparently banning use of the word "women"as being gender-fascist or some such. She kept pronouncing the school’s name as Mount Ho-lee-oh-kee (instead of Ho-lee-oak). If the college is now insisting on that pronunciation, I can see being a mite pissed. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1714 "2018-03-23T12:43:17Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Ralph Peters is a blood thirsty war monger in the same vein as Bill Kristol. Trump doesn’t play the neocon game and Peters can’t stand it. Trump just appointed a rabid neocon as his national security advisor. Trump plays whatever game is good for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1715 "2018-03-23T13:55:05Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > In an effort to distract viewers from Trump’s hooker lawsuits and White House chaos, Fox News has spent the last week devoting tons of coverage to the Austin bomber. You know they were hoping he would turn out to be non-white and/or Muslim. But it turns out he’s a white Christian who posted rants against abortion and gay marriage. > > Virtually every other news outlet has reported this. I can find nothing on Fox about his anti-abortion stance, and only one article that mentions he posted about gay marriage, without saying that he was against it. > > [Austin serial bomber Mark Anthony Conditt: Everything we know about the Pflugerville resident | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/21/austin-serial-bomber-idd-as-mark-anthony-conditt-what-know-about-pflugerville-resident.html) The Fox News angle has been that they are reporting real news while the rest of the media obsesses over the Russia non-story. While I would like to see Mueller indict Trump yesterday, I have to admit that CNN and MSNBC really don’t talk about anything else. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1716 "2018-03-23T14:04:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Trump just appointed a rabid neocon as his national security advisor. Trump plays whatever game is good for Trump. Yeah, that was a big disappointment. John Bolton is just as bad as Peters. Let’s see how long he lasts. For all of Trump’s faults, he has been very tempered in his action military actions. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1717 "2018-03-23T18:02:52Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Ralph Peters is a blood thirsty war monger in the same vein as Bill Kristol. Trump doesn’t play the neocon game and Peters can’t stand it. At least he’s honest. Peters may be a hawk, but consider how different he is from today’s Republicans, who, ideologically, are nothing. They have only one interest; personal gain. They’ll sell their own constituents to China as scrap. It has nothing to do with the topic, but back in the 80s Peters wrote novels, Tom Clancy type novels. I read two; “Red Army,” a fictional Warsaw Pact-NATO war from the perspective of Soviet soldiers; and “The War in 2020,” a fictional war in, well, 2020. (His future war was a bit off the reality of today’s warfare.) Peters’s novels were WAY, way better than Tom Clancy’s. With the exception of “the Hunt for Red October,” Clancy couldn’t hold a candle to him. The Peters novels are much better edited, crisp, move along, and have believable, human characters who aren’t Supermen or ethnic stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1718 "2018-03-23T18:34:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > and “The War in 2020,” a fictional war in, well, 2020. (His future war was a bit off the reality of today’s warfare.) Holy crap, I never realized that he was THAT Peters. I love that book! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1719 "2018-03-23T18:47:45Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I caught a bit of Fox News on satellite radio during my morning drive. The host was having a minor fit over Mount Holyoke College apparently banning use of the word "women"as being gender-fascist or some such. She kept pronouncing the school’s name as Mount Ho-lee-oh-kee (instead of Ho-lee-oak). > > If the college is now insisting on that pronunciation, I can see being a mite pissed. A college that only admits women is worried about calling women “women” because some may be gender fluid or something? Sometimes it is hard to be a liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2018, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1720 "2018-03-24T02:45:09Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > A college that only admits women is worried about calling women “women” because some may be gender fluid or something? > > Sometimes it is hard to be a liberal. Personally I don’t see the appeal of outrage over “Political correctness gone mad!” stories. They’re almost always exaggerated or outright false, and even when they’re true, why should I care? If some college somewhere decides not to use the word “women” any more in its official correspondance and instead go with something harmless, I dunno, “snuggluffs” or something, why should I give a shit? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=87)