# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1761 "2018-03-30T23:09:32Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I think boycotts are a form of intimidation. There should some sort of protections against abuses of it. I haven’t really thought it out, but there is something wrong with trying to take away the means of someone providing for their family when you disagree with them. > > I wonder how a boycott of a business owned by David Hogg’s parents would be received? Would that be fair? He’s insulted me and millions of other people who believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Where has he insulted you and millions of other people who believe in 2nd Amendment rights? ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1762 "2018-03-30T23:10:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How would you propose to limit the speech of people who simply said the equivalent of “you shouldn’t shop there”? There are limits to free speech. People have the right to make a living. In California, when gay marriage was an issue, I recall a popular restaurant in West Hollywood ( a gay enclave) that was nearly destroyed by boycotts when it was discovered that a single manager, not the owner, had contributed money to a traditional marriage campaign. Most likely all of the other employees supported gay marriage but because of the legal actions of one individual many people suffered. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1763 "2018-03-30T23:14:09Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > There are limits to free speech. People have the right to make a living. > > In California, when gay marriage was an issue, I recall a popular restaurant in West Hollywood ( a gay enclave) that was nearly destroyed by boycotts when it was discovered that a single manager, not the owner, had contributed money to a traditional marriage campaign. Most likely all of the other employees supported gay marriage but because of the legal actions of one individual many people suffered. That doesn’t answer the question. Seriously – what should be the legal penalty for telling someone else, or posting on social media, “that store is bad, you shouldn’t shop there”? A fine? Jail time? When is it okay for someone to criticize a place of business? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1764 "2018-03-30T23:19:45Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I think boycotts are a form of intimidation. There should some sort of protections against abuses of it. I haven’t really thought it out, but there is something wrong with trying to take away the means of someone providing for their family when you disagree with them. > > I wonder how a boycott of a business owned by David Hogg’s parents would be received? Would that be fair? He’s insulted me and millions of other people who believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Go for it. I completely support your right to boycott any company you want to. I might think you’re an asshole for doing it, but I won’t be telling you you can’t do it. That seems to be the difference between the left and the right… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1765 "2018-03-30T23:23:19Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > I think boycotts are a form of intimidation. There should some sort of protections against abuses of it. I haven’t really thought it out, but there is something wrong with trying to take away the means of someone providing for their family when you disagree with them. So, if I don’t want to associate with a company that willing associates itself with something that I find to be “deplorable”, then I should be required to shop there anyway? > [@](#): > > I wonder how a boycott of a business owned by David Hogg’s parents would be received? Would that be fair? He’s insulted me and millions of other people who believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Sure, you don’t have to shop at his parent’s business anymore if you don’t want to. You can tell others as well, and if they listen to you, then they won’t shop there either. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1766 "2018-03-30T23:32:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That doesn’t answer the question. Seriously – what should be the legal penalty for telling someone else, or posting on social media, “that store is bad, you shouldn’t shop there”? A fine? Jail time? When is it okay for someone to criticize a place of business? It would be a civil matter something along the lines of tortious interference or a tort of negligent interference. One party could sue another party if they could prove the defendant organized a malicious call to action to inflict financial harm on another. This is different from saying the product or service is substandard. David Hogg can certainly say Fox News is biased or unfair, and people can choose not to watch or support the advertisers. However, he would not be able to call people to destroy the business by withdrawing advertising no more than he could publish Ingraham’s home address. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1767 "2018-03-30T23:38:52Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > It would be a civil matter something along the lines of tortious interference or a tort of negligent interference. One party could sue another party if they could prove the defendant organized a malicious call to action to inflict financial harm on another. This is different from saying the product or service is substandard. David Hogg can certainly say Fox News is biased or unfair, and people can choose not to watch or support the advertisers. However, he would not be able to call people to destroy the business by withdrawing advertising no more than he could publish Ingraham’s home address. What does malicious mean? Suppose a business, or a media figure, treated me poorly and unjustly, by my judgment. Is it “malicious” if I say publicly “hey this person is terrible, you shouldn’t support them”? Your proposal strikes me as profoundly unAmerican. Free speech means freedom to criticize others, including businesses and media figures. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1768 "2018-03-30T23:44:51Z")
Free speech ain’t for free. You say vile things, you face the consequences. And this case has nothing to do with the government. When conflicting messages collide sharply like this, one of them is likely to sustain damage. ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1769 "2018-03-30T23:57:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What does malicious mean? Suppose a business, or a media figure, treated me poorly and unjustly, by my judgment. Is it “malicious” if I say publicly “hey this person is terrible, you shouldn’t support them”? > > Your proposal strikes me as profoundly unAmerican. Free speech means freedom to criticize others, including businesses and media figures. It’s profoundly American to allow for differing points of view to be expressed in a civil manner. We should be able to disagree on political issues without one of us showing up at the others place of employment with picket signs and angry mobs. This is intimidation. If someone fears grave economic harm when they disagree with you, you have basically used force to get your way not discourse. Yes, you can say someone treated you poorly, and people may or may not do business with that person based on your statement. The organized intent to harm the business or person is what I am against. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1770 "2018-03-31T00:01:55Z")
Typical right-winger…any tactic that multiplies the little people’s influence on corporations and famous, rich people is “unfair”. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1771 "2018-03-31T00:03:13Z")
Why do people like you never complain when Fox News smears a black police-shooting victim by showing their worst photo or dredging up a minor legal incident in their past? Why is it only when rich, famous people get called out on calling out little people that you and people like you get all upset? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1772 "2018-03-31T00:06:34Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > It’s profoundly American to allow for differing points of view to be expressed in a civil manner. We should be able to disagree on political issues without one of us showing up at the others place of employment with picket signs and angry mobs. This is intimidation. If someone fears grave economic harm when they disagree with you, you have basically used force to get your way not discourse. > > Yes, you can say someone treated you poorly, and people may or may not do business with that person based on your statement. The organized intent to harm the business or person is what I am against. What does “organized intent to harm” mean? If I tell people, and they tell people, and word spreads, is that “organized intent to harm”? If I post it on the internet? If I tweet it? What did Hogg do that you think should be barred by law? All he did was tweet his opinion. Sounds pretty unAmerican if people could be barred by law from tweeting their opinion. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1773 "2018-03-31T00:25:56Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > It’s profoundly American to allow for differing points of view to be expressed in a civil manner. … This was David Hogg’s objection: that Graham was being uncivil. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1774 "2018-03-31T00:50:47Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s profoundly American to allow for differing points of view to be expressed in a civil manner. what does this have to do with Laura Ingraham? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1775 "2018-03-31T01:49:28Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > We should be able to disagree on political issues without one of us showing up at the others place of employment with picket signs and angry mobs. This is intimidation. Is this what you think Hogg did to Laura Ingraham? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1776 "2018-03-31T03:00:25Z")
Now up to at least 14 advertisers who have ditched Ingraham’s show. Ruby Tuesday is the latest. > **[Ruby Tuesday pulls ads from Laura Ingraham’s show after Parkland student...](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/381078-ruby-tuesday-pulls-ads-from-laura-ingrahams-show-after-attacks-on-parkland/)** > > Restaurant chain Ruby Tuesday has said it will no longer advertise on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show following her criticism of Parkland, Fla., shooting survivor David Hogg.The comp… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1777 "2018-03-31T04:13:24Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > It’s profoundly American to allow for differing points of view to be expressed in a civil manner. We should be able to disagree on political issues without one of us showing up at the others place of employment with picket signs and angry mobs. This is intimidation. If someone fears grave economic harm when they disagree with you, you have basically used force to get your way not discourse. Do you think this should and/or does apply to employee-employer relationships as well? How do you think that will work out? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1778 "2018-03-31T04:14:45Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Yes, you can say someone treated you poorly, and people may or may not do business with that person based on your statement. The organized intent to harm the business or person is what I am against. What “organized intent” was there, in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1779 "2018-03-31T04:16:01Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This was David Hogg’s objection: that Graham was being uncivil. I don’t think he gets that at all. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1780 "2018-03-31T10:23:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Typical right-winger…any tactic that multiplies the little people’s influence on corporations and famous, rich people is “unfair”. Right wingers love dishing it out but they cry like little babies when someone starts shoving right back. Snowflakes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625.md?page=90)