# Is Fox News really all that bad? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2012, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625 "2012-10-03T21:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1238
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/1238 "2016-12-23T14:17:20Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **ENOUGH** with the “war on Christmas” hijack. > > This has nothing to do with the reliability of Fox News. > > If someone wants to promote the silly idea that there is a War on Christmas, (something even Bill O’Reilly finally admitted does not exist), go open a new thread. > > [/Moderating] You can’t promote an “idea” which is a meaningless opinion, whether it’s a war, skirmish, or battle royale this can’t be proven or disproven, so as I rightfully pointed out it’s as silly as arguing over whether a glass is “half full” or “half empty”. So arguing that there “is a war on Christmas” is just as silly as arguing that there “isn’t one”, of course. Regardless it can be factually pointed out that some secular groups do seem to be hung-up about Christmas enough to spend time and money which could be used to feed starving African children putting up ‘trollish’ billboards which read like bad internet memes - whether you want to call this a “war” or not is just potato potahto, and the fact that you feel the need to argue over mere words makes me wonder how much time you have on your hands. As far as Fox’s reliability is concerned, since most of the arguments regarding this is just personal opinion from internet partisans on one side or the other, I attempted to bring some facts to the debate, and I’ll post it again. According to Pew Research, MSNBC was founded to be the most biased cable news network, with Fox coming in second behind CNN: [http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/](http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/) --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625)._