# Is fruit good for you? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 11, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193 "2003-06-11T20:33:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SlowMindThinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@SlowMindThinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlowMindThinking)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/61 "2003-06-13T18:17:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*no, you’re kidding. 🙂 . wouldn’t you say that berries mature in human habitat as well? But bears do not have the ability to preserve large amounts of fruit throughout the year. Just like us humans several thousand years ago. And yes, I’ve seen fat birds. They are called chickens. But us mammals are not birds and we do not have the energy demands that flying birds have particularly in the fall when they migrate south following the maturation of northern fruit. \*\* I’m glad you’ve never seen a turkey! :smack: How about, have you ever seen a fat, non-human ape in the wild. (With my luck, you live in Borneo near some Orangutan preserve. 😃 ) I do have some news for you. Protohumans, and the apes, most likely evolved In Africa, and perhaps and Southern Asia. Fruit grows just fine year round in those environs. Bears seem to mostly live in northern climes. (I seem to recall a beast called something like the Malaysian Sun Bear, that obviously didn’t. I would guess it doesn’t hibernate, either.) But this is kind of silly. Seals eat nothing but fish, and some whales eat nothing but plankton and whatever else baleen traps and they are downright blubbery. The fact is, people, pigs and bears can eat damn near anything. All three get fat when they consume more than they burn off. The are pre-industrialized societies that followed almost any diet you can think of - from the New Guinea, where the only meat was pig, dog, and the occasional human, to Laplanders with a heavy reindeer diet. It is our sedentary lives that make us fat. ---
**Author:** ![SlowMindThinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@SlowMindThinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlowMindThinking)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/62 "2003-06-13T18:33:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Calculus of Logic \* > \*\*what i mean is something more in depth than the usual ‘fruit = good, pepsi = bad’ knee jerk argument. I want actual scientific proof that i’m wrong. Most of what i’m getting in this post is conjecture. > > As far as the ‘conspiracy’, only someone who gets all their info from the jew run liberal media would call it a conspiracy. My grandfather was a farmer, i know first hand that there is a conspiracy. You just wait and see when the truth comes out, then you’ll look stupid. \*\* What about all them sugar farmers? How can you trust them? They have been raising cane for years! 😛 You know, I could claim both sides of this “conspiracy”. One grandfather was a college educated farmer, another was a Ph. D. chemist. Of course, he didn’t work in the food industry, but why let facts get in the way? Calc, have you bought any food lately? Fruit, veggies = cheap. Meat, not so bad. Candy, soda, and pills are expensive. (I think the vitamin E I buy costs in the region of $30/bottle. It does last a while though, but then there is no proven benefit to vitamin E in pill form - only as part of food. Then you need your probiotics, potassium, zinc, multivitamins, … If you were descended from hummingbirds, I would say go for your Dew diet. Me, I’m an ape, and I’m eating ape food. ---
**Author:** ![overlyverbose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9dc877/32.png) [@overlyverbose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/overlyverbose)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/63 "2003-06-13T20:34:07Z")
I was under the impression that, while you can take vitamins, fiber and other supplements, the combination of those things in various foods actually makes your body absorb the nutrients more efficiently. This is true for fruit as well. The same is true for cooking food. Cooking some vegetables will make the nutrients more readily absorbed into your body than eating those same vegetables raw. One of the best examples is tomatoes. By cooking them, your body is more able to absorb lycopene from the tomatoes, while if you eat them raw, you’re not likely to absorb any of that particular nutrient at all. Someone tell me if I’m wrong, 'cause I don’t have a cite. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/64 "2003-06-13T21:14:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SlowMindThinking \* > \*\* > You know, I could claim both sides of this “conspiracy”. One grandfather was a college educated farmer, another was a Ph. D. chemist. Of course, he didn’t work in the food industry, but why let facts get in the way? \*\* Damn right, thats what they want you to do, to wait for them to give you ‘facts’ so you can fall victim to their conspiracy. You can’t trust the mainstream media. I get all my info from underground pamphlets. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SlowMindThinking \* > \*\* > Calc, have you bought any food lately? Fruit, veggies = cheap. Meat, not so bad. Candy, soda, and pills are expensive. (I think the vitamin E I buy costs in the region of $30/bottle. It does last a while though, but then there is no proven benefit to vitamin E in pill form - only as part of food. Then you need your probiotics, potassium, zinc, multivitamins, … > > If you were descended from hummingbirds, I would say go for your Dew diet. Me, I’m an ape, and I’m eating ape food. \*\* I’m going on a calorie per basis though. Fruit averages about 200 calories per (where i live), mountain dew averages 1000. Multivitamins are 3.5 cents a day and fiber supplements are 1 cent a gram, assuming you buy the ‘equate’ brand at wal-mart. Don’t know how right i am, but i am assuming the body eats roughly the same number of calories per day irrelevant of whether they come from fruit, grain or junk. where i live a lb. of grapes is 99 cents, strawberries, cherries & blueberries are about $3, apples are $1.20 for a large, 33 cents for a small. Oranges 33 cents, limes/lemons 50 cents. Fruit is sugar water, whose sugar is fructose. mountain dew is sugar water whose sugar is fructose. The vitamins from mt. dew can be had in a 3 cent pill. Keep in mind that i’m not talking about a pure mountain dew diet. where do you live where vitamin E is $30? its funny you brought up vitamin E, i just bought 130 pills of 400 IU for $2.84 at wal mart an hour ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/65 "2003-06-13T21:48:39Z")
Don’t forget to cost up all the other supplements too; anthocyanins, organic acids, aromatic oils. Don’t forget to also include the cost of essential headwear; how much does tinfoil cost in your locality? ---
**Author:** ![SlowMindThinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@SlowMindThinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlowMindThinking)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/66 "2003-06-14T02:02:17Z")
Calc, how do you fill up? Me, it isn’t really a function of calories, it is a function of bulk and speed of digestion. Fats and proteins are the most filling. Liquids never satiate. You need to calculate by what it takes to fill you up. Your body doesn’t come with a sensor that says, that rings up, ahh 2000 calories, no more food for me! (How many calories do you consume a day, anyway? If one Dew has 1000 calories, you can’t drink much.) I assume you mean you think you can get by on $0.3 a day worth of pills? Dream on. Maybe you also include peanut M&Ms? (Don’t forget your chromium, selenium, …) Oh, and I buy waay more vitamin E than you, and probably a different grade. Don’t forget, aluminum is cheaper than tin, too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/67 "2003-06-14T02:18:42Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by SlowMindThinking \* > \*\* > I assume you mean you think you can get by on $0.3 a day worth of pills? Dream on. Maybe you also include peanut M&Ms? (Don’t forget your chromium, selenium, …) Oh, and I buy waay more vitamin E than you, and probably a different grade._\* I’m so jealous. This must be what its like to buy a Jeep then find out your neighbor just bought a Hummer. My fantasies of proving my machismo via the quality & quantity of vitamin E i possess has been shattered. I hope i still have that gun around, don’t know if i can live like this now. When i say ‘1000 calories’ i’m referring to a 2 liter. [http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/fruitchart.htm](http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/fruitchart.htm) Most of these vitamins in a fruit are available in a multivitamin. Virtually everything listed in a fruit is in a multi-vitamin, minus potassium & selenium. Not only that, but the vitamins in a fruit are trace. 8mg calcium, 7mg magnesium. you’d need to eat 200 fruits a day to get enough. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SlowMindThinking \* > \*\* > Don’t forget, aluminum is cheaper than tin, too. \*\* Um, i live in the mountains. the rays can’t penetrate rock. I’ll be fine. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/68 "2003-06-14T06:47:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Calculus of Logic \* > **Never heard of the randall report of 81? The cover-up in 68? I suggest you google them.** How about a specific link? If you have evidence, it’s up to you to provide it. I tried “googling” for those terms and came up with lots of stuff, nothing specific to the topic here, however. \*\* > [@](#): > > Farmers are the cause of the modern ‘health’ industry. Farming lobbies routinely contract biased polls and studies that makes processed foods out to be more unhealthy than they really are and ‘fruits and vegetables’ more healthy than they really are so they can push their products. :dubious: \*\* Again, let’s see the evidence for this. Also the idea that farmers would lattempt to label the processed food industry as unhealthy doesn’t make sense. Famers sell to them, too. By labeling some of the products of some of their biggest customers as “unhealthy” they’d be shooting themselves in the foot, economically. ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/69 "2003-06-14T14:08:45Z")
Yes, “Randall Report of 81”??? WTF is that? My grandfather was also a farmer, and I’ve never heard of that, nor the “cover-up of 68”? And yes, I did google different permutations of Randall Report of 81. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/70 "2003-06-14T15:44:32Z")
What do you guys expect, of course you can’t find the Randall Report on Google. Jews control Google, just like the control all major media outlets. If you controlled all the media outlets wouldn’t you ban info that made you look bad? ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/71 "2003-06-14T17:30:13Z")
;j GOOGLE IS GOOD! GOOD GOOGLE! ;j :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![SlowMindThinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@SlowMindThinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlowMindThinking)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/72 "2003-06-14T21:34:48Z")
Ahhh, I’ve got it. No wonder I never heard of the conspiracy. Its the _jewish farmers_ that are controlling it all. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/73 "2003-06-14T23:27:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Calculus of Logic \* > \*\*What do you guys expect, of course you can’t find the Randall Report on Google. Jews control Google, just like the control all major media outlets. If you controlled all the media outlets wouldn’t you ban info that made you look bad? \*\* So, **The Calculus of Logic** , can you provide the quotes or references to back up your claims? First you tell us to use Google, then claim that Google is worthless because it’s controlled by same conspiracy of Jews and farmers. It’s time to put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![SlowMindThinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@SlowMindThinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlowMindThinking)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/74 "2003-06-14T23:33:13Z")
And I want a thorough explanation of why the Jewish Puerto Rican sugar cane farmers got left out of the conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/75 "2003-06-15T00:58:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freyr \* > \*\*So, **The Calculus of Logic** , can you provide the quotes or references to back up your claims? First you tell us to use Google, then claim that Google is worthless because it’s controlled by same conspiracy of Jews and farmers. It’s time to put up or shut up. \*\* Baaaaaaa. Jews control the media, and if you are dumb enough to go to them to get info you deserve to be decieved. Baaaaaa. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/76 "2003-06-15T01:01:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SlowMindThinking \* > \*\*And I want a thorough explanation of why the Jewish Puerto Rican sugar cane farmers got left out of the conspiracy. \*\* Thats just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/77 "2003-06-15T01:54:45Z")
OK, so is this a wind-up? If so why is it on GD? If it’s not a wind-up, where the hell is the debate in ‘Jews control the media, and if you are dumb enough to go to them to get info you deserve to be decieved.’ It’ just a pointless assertion, and a rather silly one at that. ---
**Author:** ![nisosbar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@nisosbar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nisosbar)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/78 "2003-06-15T04:28:40Z")
And another thing - calculus’ argument, which is not unheard of, of course, assumes that Christians/non-Jews are too stupid to see fallacies where they exist. Nonsense. Jews are no smarter than non-Jews. And anyway, this thread should be closed since it’s ventured off-topic in the extreme. :rolleyes: Start a new thread, calculus, if you want to discuss the “jewish media.” BTW, your self-assessment in your other thread today is accurate. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@The\_Calculus\_of\_Logic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Calculus_of_Logic)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/79 "2003-06-15T05:40:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by nisosbar \* > \*\* > BTW, your self-assessment in your other thread today is accurate. 🙂 \*\* The one where i said people were easy to manipulate? ---
**Author:** ![Avumede](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/avumede/32/7235_2.png) [@Avumede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avumede)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193/80 "2003-06-15T06:44:47Z")
You gotta love a debate in which one party gets more and more insane throughout the thread. This only took 2 pages to for The Calculus of Logic to go from a man with a rational-sounding opinion, to frothing lunatic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fruit-good-for-you/181193.md?page=5)