I swear that you people are dense. You’ve all been whooshed like mad.
Read this line again:
This made me laugh.
All the stuff about Jews and farmers and reports is a joke. However, I’m fairly certain that Calculus really does want hard facts on the benefits of fruit over soft drinks. Here’s a good website to get started with.
Perhaps. Or perhaps calculus is a poor communicator. Not everyone writes well, and that may be the problem with this thread. [moving on]
I guess it’s possible I’ve been completely wooshed. Perhaps I am in fact too dense to see that the whole “there is a Jewish conspiracy” thing, mainted over several posts, is a, um, joke. Or joke attempt, more accurately.
Eating fruit every day is good for you. Drinking Mountain Dew everyday is bad for you. I don’t need no steenking cites!
I assumed when i said ‘i don’t worry about the mind control rays, i live in the mountains’ that that would’ve given me away. Anyway, no there is no Randall Report, no cover-up, no something something something something…
Ok hes gone. Guys, there is a jewish farmer in my house, he held a pitchfork to my back and made me write all those lies above about there being no randall report. If you want to know the truth about the jewish farmer conspiracy read http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0712618597/qid=1055722358/sr=1-14/ref=sr_1_14/002-5570930-8948030?v=glance&s=books. I only have a minute to write this, he’s in the kitchen trying to decide if he wants to eat an apple or drink a can of mountain dew. I’ll write back after he’s gone.
fructose is now considered very evil by many nutritionists. yes both fruits and sodas are mostly fructose. table sugar is 50% fructose.
fruit is not an ideal food, it is still better than soda because it has fiber, vitamins, minerals and soda don’t got nothing except poisons. but fruit is not as good as vegetables because fruit is loaded with fructose.
well, that ties into the argument. I listed a websitehere that lists the vitamins & minerals in fruits. All but selenium & potassium are in a multi-vitamin. Fiber can be had cheaply via supplement form as well. The price of soda & supplements is much lower (so people on a budget, which is what this post was partially about before i threw it in left field) can get more of it for the same price and the taste is better.
Couple of points. 1) you’ve yet to supply anything to back up the assertion that getting all of your nutrients in pill form is just as good as getting them from food. Everything I can find suggests that it’s not. 2) That ‘the taste is better’ would be entirely a matter of personal opinion.
http://www.daily-vitamins.com/rda.html
http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/fruitchart.htm
About 20% of vitamins taken via pill form are actually abosorbed by the body from what i’ve read. Liquid multivitamins are supposedly closer to 80% absorbed. I don’t know what the fruit absorption rate is.
So, you were leading everybody on, “testing” your claim that people were easily manipulated? Sounds like something that isn’t tolerated, perhaps a mod should be told of this little “manipulation of peoples feelings”, I do believe tr… err manipulating isn’t allowed.
i wasn’t ‘testing’ to see if people were manipulated. but after people took my first remark seriously i figured i’d go along with it. The manipulation remark was directed at nisosbar in response to being called a bastard.
Do I get any points if I figured you out? I assumed from this post you figured that I figured out …
Why don’t you just run to the grocery store and buy
all in quantities appropriate for your body? (I tried to make the point earlier that pills come with doses for an “average” adult.) Then tell us the price for a 1 week supply, in which you don’t cut any pills.
selenium is also found in most mineral formulas. and potassium needs can be satisfied by using potassium solt, freely available at supermarkets as substitute for table salt ( which is sodium based ).
fiber, i have taken as a supplement myself, but its not the same.
a fibrous meal has low glycemic index (good) because fiber slows down digestion by isolating the carbohydrate from the digestive juices partially. however, if you take soda, and then some metamucil separately that will most likely still leave you with a high glycemic index meal, because unless completely intersperesed i dont see how fiber will slow down soda’s digestion and absorbtion.
in fact fructose does not have to be digested, its already in its simplest form, its absorbs with lightning speed. this is bad because your stomach is soon empty and you are hungry again.
by the way Calculus, i do take Vitamin pills, Minear complex, as well as Protein shakes daily. and i eat fish for Essential fatty acids. in other words, i get all essential nutrients without veggies or fruit HOWEVER, i still eat veggies and i do NOT drink soda.
“I tried to make the point earlier that pills come with doses for an “average” adult.”
only if you buy that IDIOTIC CENTRUM BULLSHIT. the pills that i take do not contain 100% rda of everything but often as much as 7000% rda of certain vitamins in a single pill.
you can NOT however simply take more centrum, because some things in it such as Iron or Vitamin D are toxic in large amounts.
there are good multi formulas however, or you can do like me, and buy each vitamin separately.
Well, since only scientific observation and not opinion will satisfy you, Calc, I suggest an experiment; put yourself on a diet of Mountain Dew and vitamin supplements and get back to us in a few months.
Me, I’ve got a nice crisp Braeburn apple in front of me that I’m going to enjoy now.
of course, such a diet cannot be recommended.
but the other extreme (shying away from supplements completely) is just as silly.
Well, I think there have been a lot of yelling that drinking soda is BAD, and that drinking juice is GOOD. Like when Pepsi or Coke wants to put it’s soda machines in schools.
Although in general, one can say with assurance that drinking juice is better than drinking soda- the line is not so clearly defined as “soda=bad, juice=good”.
Many “fruit juices” contain only 10% or less actual fruit juice- and so, the difference between soda & “contains 5% real fruit juice” is marginal. Then, some juices contain more nutrients than others. Apple juice, (which is often the “5%” juice anyway) has been called- by no less a source as Consumer Reports -a “Nutritional lightweight”. (Apples have pectin, a useful fiber- apple juice usually does not).
Then there is the matter of amount- orange juice, especially with the pulp, is very good for you indeed. However, it is a powerful acid, and using OJ as your prime source of water wouldn’t be all that good. Same thing with tomato juice. It does make me laugh when anti-soda “nutritionists” say bad things about the citric acid in many sodas- which OJ has far more of.
I really don’t know how the looney fringe can say “fructose in fruit is good for you” and then turn around and say"fructose in soda is bad for you". Fructose is a simple sugar, either way. This is simply bad science. We are here to FIGHT ignorance, not spread it.
So, if you kids are swilling “Sunny-D”, they aren’t doing themselves much better than if they were swilling soda- and taking a vitamin pill once a day. As that is what “Sunny-D” basicly is- sugar (fructose) water, with a few vitamins thrown in. It ain’t “juice”.
You know, I’d like to see a cite on that factoid. I have just re-read the ONLY two scientific medical studies on the Atkins diet. Both in the NEJM. Neither mention that at all. Both studies do say that the Atkins diet group lost more weight, faster, and had better cholesteral ratings that the much touted “low fat” diet. However, both studies also pointed out that few stay on either diet for long. Both studies called for longer studies. (Note- neither study mentioned anything about the Atkins diet being dangerous over long term, either- they simply don’t have any data on this.)
ye, i usually just drink filtered or bottled water. and in times of weakness i use herbal tea with aspartame or sucralose for a sweetener 