# Is George Bush responsible for 9/11? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 9, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136 "2003-07-09T01:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/1 "2003-07-09T01:23:22Z")
On another board I frequent, a guy has posted a list of ‘evidence’ that George Bush is responsible for 9/11 - and we are not talking through failure to defend against the attacks, he thinks that the planes were flown into the buildings by remote control. I made the mistake of attempting to debate with him, as he’s got a bit of a reputation as someone who is very good at debate and always has his fact straight, and when I pointed out inaccuracies in some of his statements, and asked for cites on others, he just accused me of liking Carrottop. Anyway, here’s his ‘evidence’, have fun. > [@](#): > > 1. None of the guys who they blamed the WTC/Pentagon/"crash on were on the flight lists. They were all added after the fact. > > 2. No terrorist actions have happened in this country SINCE 9/11 even though we’ve given them SEVERE cause. Seriously ppl, we went “after” OSama, we “destroyed Al-Qaeda’s powerbase” in Afghanistan. > > 3. We are continuing our Oil Hopping ways in the middle east. > > 4. All 9/11 investigations have been nixed. So basically our government is telling us that “the biggest tragedy in American history” isn’t worth investigating. > > 5. Bush sat in Florida reading to school children for 30 minutes AFTER the WTC went down. > > 6. Bush had them dispatch planes from Illinois(i believe, not sure but SOME middle American state’s) airfield in response when we had PLENTY of east coast bases to choose from. > > 7. We’re supposed to believe that 3 plane fulls of ppl just let themselves be blown up? And seriously kids, how many of YOU have ever flown a plane or know intricate knowledge of them? 1 out of 10 americans knows damned well when a plane is flying WAY too low to be “going to cuba”. > > 8. I heard a senator come on the radio right after the last plane “was crashed” and SAY and this is a fucking SENATOR, that the government shot the fourth plane down. Now you kids need to realize a plane can GLIDE without FUEL for FOUR FUCKING HOURS without and still land. > > 9. The indestructable “black boxes” on those planes have never been found. the 4th plane I’ve heard RUMORS about but i can’t co-oberate(sp?) those rumours with any credible news source. > > 10. All, ALL 9-11 investigations have been nixed. > > 11. THEY say they found the “terrorist’s” cars in the airport parking lots with only tapes from Osama and plane schematics in them. I’m sorry but if these assholes SERIOUSLY did this, A. why’d they need the plane schematics on the WAY TO THE AIRPORT, obivously this woulda taken MUCH more planning than a quick “we’re gonna miss our flight, read up” check, and B. why on earth would their only vehicular possesion be osaoma tapes? they didn’t have a VCR in their fuckin cars. > > 12. The US government has a decive that can remotely control planes up to 4 at a time. > > 13. NOT ONE SINGLE military/goverment higher up was in the pentagon that day. All the big wigs had called in sick. The plane hit an area that was under CONSTRUCTION and only killed interns and hired labor. > > 14. NOT ONE single big money higher up reported to work that day in the WTC where Martin Marietta, Aurthur Anderson and Cantor Fitzgerald(big money) have their MAIN OFFICES. Not one 10,000,000 plus executive reported to work that day, > > 15. I’ve never ONCE seen a commercial pilot say ANYTHING other than “it’d be fucking near impossible for a pilot trainee to navigate a commercial jet into a target so efficeintly as these Arabs were credited as doing”. > > Now we get to the freaky stuff… > > 1. The Bush admin and supporters had requested 4 months earlier for congressional approval to strike Afghanistan. Which they did post 9-11 claiming they were “going after” Al-Qaeda. > > 2. The Taliban never ONCE said we couldn’t go after Osama, they merely stated they had to clear it with the northern alliance(their bitter enemies) who are in our pocket. Yet the NA sat on their hands and then rejoiced as we bombarbed their enemy the taliban… > > 3. Bush Sr., Donnie Rumsfeld(the most evil man alive imo) and Dick Cheney have/are ALL been employees of Carslyle and/or Haliburton two of the biggest oil companies on earth not to mention Haliburton(who is “based” in the Caribean so they don’t have to pay taxes) both companies have profitted tremendously over our actions in Afghanistan(and later on IRaQ) > > 4. The Bush family (and Donnie Rumsefeld) have been in the employ AND continue to share stock interest with the Saudi Royal Family (not to mention, 17 of the 19 “hijackers” were Saudi)… whose major economnic income comes from OIL. > > 5. Both the Bushes and Donnie Rumsefeld have DIRECT monetary ties to the Bin Laden family which is one of the richest oil families to ever exist. > > 6. In the 1970s, Donnie Rumsfeld, Dickhead Cheney and Georgy Progy Bush the 1st(then director of CIA) were all instruemental in trying to impeach Nixon and thus succeeded by forcing his stepping down. > > 7. No one on Earth has prospered from 9-11 except for Rumsfeld, Cheny, Bush, Haliburton, Lockheed MArtin, Carslye, Exxon(bush’s boys…) and the Saudi Arabian Royal family, and this is up to and including our “war” with IRaQ. > > 8. Bush Jr. has already shown his willingness to LIE and DECEIVE concerning starting wars in the middle east. (iraq?) > Which by the way he’s already in his short run taped the two biggest fossil fuel reserves in the WORLD, (Iraq and Afghanistan) while at the same time keeping close friends with the BIGGST oil producer in the world(Saudi Arabia) which is most likely the MOST repressive and uncivilized regime in the worlse. > > 9. Bush didn;t win the election yet he sits in the whitehouse do to daddy’s appointeess in the supreme court. > > 10. Al-Qaeda has never ONCE done anything but ADMIT and REJOICE over ther global terrorist actions ASSIDE FROM 9-11 which for some reason not ONE news source(not even al-jazeera) had ANY statements from the group which, in all logic woulda have been their finest achievment. All we have is a cryptic "supposed to be from Bin Laden) tape that was conspicously found in some VCR as we were raiding afghanistan… > > 11. All 9/11 info has been presented to us from the same administration that has done nothing but personally profit from the attacks. > > 26 reasons, PLEASe, PLEASE shoot me down if you can. Please. > Please show me my ignorance because ALL the empircal data suggests Bush did it to us, not Al-qaedea… > PLEASE prove me wrong, show me my errors. Because I have to wake up every day knowing that all evidence stacks up to say OUR GOVERNMENT committed 9-11 and not Middle Eastern Terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Paco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@Paco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paco)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/2 "2003-07-09T01:35:18Z")
Ask the guy to provide some cites for that information. If he can, could you post them here? ---
**Author:** ![Paco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a6a055/32.png) [@Paco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paco)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/3 "2003-07-09T01:39:34Z")
I thought that I should add that I’m not a good debater so I probably can’t help you much, but I think simply asking him to provide cites for some of that information will make his argument a lot harder to defend. ---
**Author:** ![Eolbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@Eolbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eolbo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/4 "2003-07-09T01:40:21Z")
As much as I detest the Bush administration for its lies, its warmongering, its arrogance and the great extended middle finger to the rest of the world that masquerades as a foreign policy, and am normally willing to believe that GWB personally bites the heads off arab babies and dances the macarena while drenched in their blood, that theory is just too utterly stupid and paranoid to even waste time refuting. A more plausible conspiracy theory is the Chomsky one that the US intended to invade Afghanistan and topple the Taliban because the Taliban werent playing ball with a plan to build a greatly desired pipeline. Alarmed the taliban used their al-qaeda ally to launch a pre-emptive strike on S11 or so the theory goes. I dont buy that theory either but on reading it I didnt picture a man sheltering in his cellar with his anti-alien aluminium foil wrapped around his head. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/5 "2003-07-09T01:48:53Z")
Nice chain letter that guy quoted. The truth, which will really get everyone worked up, is that Osama planned and executed the attack in 1993 on the WTC and we knew it was him. We then failed to get him at that time. Then he blew up the embassies, and we knew it, and once more we failed to get him. Cruise missiles simply were not an effective response. Then he was responsible for blowing a hole in the USS Cole. We knew it was him, and we didn’t get him. Do you see a pattern here? Under whose watch did these things happen? Who allowed Osama and Al-Qaida to mount attacks over and over again with relative impunity? That’s right, it was President William Jefferson Clinton. Had he taken care of business sometime within the 7+ years he had the opportunity to, September 11th could not have happened. It was a failure of leadership, no question, but let’s put the blame for that where it belongs. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/6 "2003-07-09T01:49:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > **I made the mistake of attempting to debate with him, as he’s got a bit of a reputation as someone who is very good at debate and always has his fact straight** How did he get such a reputation if he posts junk like the stuff you’ve quoted? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/7 "2003-07-09T01:51:50Z")
This is my favorite one: > [@](#): > > 1. I heard a senator come on the radio right after the last plane “was crashed” and SAY and this is a fucking SENATOR, that the government shot the fourth plane down. Now you kids need to realize a plane can GLIDE without FUEL for FOUR FUCKING HOURS without and still land. Uh-huh. Some planes can glide for four hours maybe. Unfortunately, a jumbo jet is not one of those planes. I think Canadian Air Flight 143 made it 40 miles before it crash landed at Edmonton without fuel. And that was a 767 reaching about as far as it was going to go. That sentence is fairly hard to follow. Your friend needs to learn how to make sense. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/8 "2003-07-09T02:03:34Z")
My favorite is this: > [@](#): > > 1. In the 1970s, Donnie Rumsfeld, Dickhead Cheney and Georgy Progy Bush the 1st(then director of CIA) were all instruemental in trying to impeach Nixon and thus succeeded by forcing his stepping down. Even if this were true, what on Earth would it have to do with GWB and 9/11? WTF? 😕 Besides, if you need someone who actually was involved with trying to impeach Nixon, no need to look any further than Hillary Clinton! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/9 "2003-07-09T02:14:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*Had he taken care of business sometime within the 7+ years he had the opportunity to, September 11th could not have happened. > > It was a failure of leadership, no question, but let’s put the blame for that where it belongs. \*\* Give me an effing break, **Airman**. Who was it that started shrieking “WAG THE DOG! WAG THE DOG!” whenever Clinton tried to do anything? That’s right, the Republicans. Who was it that armed and supported Osama in the first place? That’s right, the Republicans. Who turned down the FBI’s request to search Massaoui’s personal computer and files, who turned them down? That’s right, John Ashcroft, a Republican. Who prevented FBI Director John O’Neill from investingating bin Ladin’s brothers living in Virginia? That’s right, Republicans. Who obstructed the FBI’s investigation into the bin Ladins and al-Qaeda to such an extent prior to 9/11 that the FBI Director resigned in disgust claiming that the “main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.” Hey, what do you know? Republicans again. Of course, the Bush Administration has had almost two years now to catch bin Ladin, have they done it? No. In fact, I don’t hear much about him from the administration. Just their lies about Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![zigaretten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/91b2a8/32.png) [@zigaretten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zigaretten)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/10 "2003-07-09T02:16:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > 4. All 9/11 investigations have been nixed. > > 1. All, ALL 9-11 investigations have been nixed. > > 2. All 9/11 info has been presented to us from the same administration that has done nothing but personally profit from the attacks. Well, [this independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation](http://www.9-11commission.gov/) just released its first report yesterday and has more public hearings scheduled for tomorrow (July 9, 2003). ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/11 "2003-07-09T02:22:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*Nice chain letter that guy quoted. > > The truth, which will really get everyone worked up, is that Osama planned and executed the attack in 1993 on the WTC and we knew it was him. We then failed to get him at that time. > > Then he blew up the embassies, and we knew it, and once more we failed to get him. Cruise missiles simply were not an effective response. > > Then he was responsible for blowing a hole in the USS Cole. We knew it was him, and we didn’t get him. > > Do you see a pattern here? > > Under whose watch did these things happen? Who allowed Osama and Al-Qaida to mount attacks over and over again with relative impunity? That’s right, it was President William Jefferson Clinton. > > Had he taken care of business sometime within the 7+ years he had the opportunity to, September 11th could not have happened. > > It was a failure of leadership, no question, but let’s put the blame for that where it belongs. \*\* My friend, I must concede that _in hindsight_, you are 100% on target. But I ask you to consider the later Clinton years – the political climate of the day. Obviously, asking the Taliban to deal with the problem, in whatever way, would have worked just as well as it did for GWB (who gave them a chance to do the right thing _after_ 9/11 when the world was aghast at the attacks, without results). So Clinton and his advisors mount an Operation Enduring Freedom of his own, in say 1998 or 1999. The result: 1. The antiwar folks who opposed Bush’s wars would be out in force – supplemented by the people who “had their minds changed by 9/11” – a line I’ve heard quite a bit. 2. The Republican leadership would accuse him of “wagging the dog” – mounting a military campaign to camouflage their righteous wrath at his getting an adulterous blowjob – pardon me, lying under oath. (I know a few people say that and mean it seriously, and I mean no sarcasm towards them – far more, IMHO, use it to camouflage their moral indignation at his sexual escapades in a more “respectable” argument.) 3. Without the united we-want-revenge attitude that 9/11 engendered, he would have very little support from the average man in the street, who barely noticed either of the bombings and were probably unaware of the 1993 WTC assault if they lived outside the NYC metro area. While I, sadly, see your point, I don’t think Clinton _could_ have gotten adequate support for taking the necessary military action at that time, even if he had decided that it was the appropriate step to take. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/12 "2003-07-09T02:26:57Z")
The dude is a loon. You will never, ever convince him of anything, as all contradictory evidence is merely part of the conspiracy. But his facts are pure-dee crapola, so you can at least address others’ concerns with the following: 1. I dunno whether any of the bad guys bought their tickets under their own names, but _somebody_ was on those planes. Body parts of several of the hijackers were also identified by DNA analysis long after the suspects were named by the government. 2. (a) We _have_ seriously disrupted al Qaeda since 9/11. (b) Numerous attacks by al Qaeda have _still_ occurred since 9/11 in countries other than the U.S. 3. Whatever. 4. [False](http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/07/timep.911.tm/index.html). 5. B.F.D. You’d figure that if he was in on the conspiracy, he’d have been all over it from the get-go. 6. ISTR something a bunch of passengers jumping the hijackers and causing the plane to crash into an empty field somewhere. Maybe you can google up a cite on that? 7. Are you serious? This is a guy who “a reputation as someone who is very good at debate and always has his fact straight”? Too stupid for words. 8. Actually, the cockpit voice recorder on at least one of the planes _has_ been found, and was even played to the families of the passengers. _Newsweek_ had the goods on what it revealed (not much, except that the passengers did indeed jump the hijackers, who freaked out about it). 9. See 4. 10. See 8. 11. Take your pick: Cite, please? or B.F.D. 12. See 12. 13. Holy shit! 10 million executives worked in the WTC? Wow, that’s a really stupid conspiracy. Plus, cite please? 14. So, trained pilots couldn’t drive a plane into the side of a big-ass building? See 8. 15. Cite, please? 16. See 16. 17. B.F.D. 18. See 18. 19. See 12. 20. So Nixon’s impeachment was part of the conspiracy to blow up the WTC almost 30 years later? See 8 & 16. 21. Demonstably false. [Afghan opium growers](http://www.msnbc.com/news/935243.asp) are doing much better since 9/11. Other than that, see 8. 22. That Dubya is a lying turd who likes cheap oil and the profits apurtenant thereto doesn’t demonstrate a damn thing about remote control airplanes. See 8. 23. Half of Daddy Bush’s Supreme Court appointees voted againt Junior. See also 23. 24. Utter bullshit. Al Qaeda has typically only admitted responsibility for an attack years after its occurrence. They prefer to rejoice in such attacks by praising God for smiting the infidels–as, indeed, they did in the case of 9/11–while giving wink-wink nudge-nudge credit to the individual martyrs who carried out the operation. 25. See 8. Hope that helps. [sub]Plus, you’e in Dallas now, **Badtz**? Good to see it. Hope to see you out at a DFW gathering soon![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/13 "2003-07-09T02:39:23Z")
You know, before I get accused of it, I don’t blame the Bush Administration for 9/11. They made some really bad mistakes, but those happen, I don’t think they did it maliciously or anything. But if you are going to start placing the blame on Clinton, then you need to shove a heap of it on Bush, too. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/14 "2003-07-09T02:39:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\*2. No terrorist actions have happened in this country SINCE 9/11 even though we’ve given them SEVERE cause. Seriously ppl, we went “after” OSama, we “destroyed Al-Qaeda’s powerbase” in Afghanistan. > \*\* Shoe bomber? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/15 "2003-07-09T02:51:08Z")
I may never get an opportunity like this! The charge related in the OP is nonsense, GeeDubya is most definitely not guilty! I am entirely satisfied that GeeDubya had nothing whatever to do with it. It has never been proven that GeeDubya has any connection _whatsoever_ with Al Queda. Further, such skullduggery could only have been accomplished with perfect secrecy and organization. GeeDubya, it has been demonstrated, could not successfully organize a surprise party for his daughter’s hamster. I firmly stand against this unseemly episode of “Bush-bashing”. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/16 "2003-07-09T02:55:01Z")
I know, I feel dirty too, **elucidator**. ---
**Author:** ![zigaretten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/91b2a8/32.png) [@zigaretten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zigaretten)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/17 "2003-07-09T02:55:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > 6. Bush had them dispatch planes from Illinois(i believe, not sure but SOME middle American state’s) airfield in response when we had PLENTY of east coast bases to choose from. 8:46 a.m.: NORAD orders the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts to scramble two of their F-15 fighters. 9:24 a.m.: NORAD orders the 1st Fighter Wing from Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Virginia to scramble two, possibly three F-16 fighters. Langley is 130 miles south of Washington D.C. and the Pentagon. The F-16 has a top speed of 1500 MPH. So, planes were scrambled near Boston (two of the hijacked planes took off from Boston) and near Washington DC (where a third plane hit the Pentagon). I see nothing suspicious here. And these are both east coast bases. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/18 "2003-07-09T03:20:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > 13. NOT ONE SINGLE military/goverment higher up was in the pentagon that day. All the big wigs had called in sick. The plane hit an area that was under CONSTRUCTION and only killed interns and hired labor. \*\* False. Don Rumsfeld was AT HIS DESK when the plane struck the opposite side of the Pentagon. He was later seen on camera helping load the wounded into ambulances, much to the dismay of his aides and security personnel. (Source: CNN Presents) ---
**Author:** ![zigaretten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/91b2a8/32.png) [@zigaretten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zigaretten)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/19 "2003-07-09T04:22:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > 14. NOT ONE single big money higher up reported to work that day in the WTC where Martin Marietta, Aurthur Anderson and Cantor Fitzgerald(big money) have their MAIN OFFICES. Not one 10,000,000 plus executive reported to work that day, Edelmiro (Ed) Abad, 54, New York, N.Y., USA senior vice president, Fiduciary Trust International Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building Maria Rose Abad, 49, Syosset, N.Y., USA senior vice president, Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building Paul Andrew Acquaviva, 29, Glen Rock, N.J., USA eSpeed vice president of corporate development, Cantor Fitzgerald Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building Donald L. Adams, 28, Chatham, N.J., USA vice president of sales of eSpeed division, Cantor Fitzgerald Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building Stephen Patrick Cherry, 41, Stamford, Conn., USA partner, Cantor Fitzgerald Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building Brian Thomas Cummins, 38, Manasquan, N.J., USA partner, Cantor Fitzgerald Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building Takashi Kinoshita, 46, Rye, N.Y. president, Mizuho Capital Markets Corp. Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building, Japanese Edward Joseph Mardovich, 42, Lloyd Harbor, N.Y., USA president, Euro Brokers Inc. Confirmed dead, World Trade Center, at/in building And you can find many, many, many more at [this site.](http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/rescue.victims.html) ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136/20 "2003-07-09T05:29:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Paco \* > \*\*Ask the guy to provide some cites for that information. If he can, could you post them here? \*\* I did. > [@](#): > > YOU do the legwork. And trust me, it’ll be hard…the harder you look the more you’ll notice that this information is difficult to get at. See, because he can’t find cites, it HAS to be true! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-george-bush-responsible-for-9-11/187136.md?page=2)