# Is Ghost Adventures on the travel channel real or fake? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 17, 2013, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587 "2013-02-17T10:11:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ghostlover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Ghostlover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghostlover)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/101 "2013-07-08T05:20:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Look, arguing with the mods, who are the ultimate arbiter of board rules, is a mug’s game. > > Take the hint, learn the board culture, and get on with the topic at hand. > > Going back to the thread, do you have any actual, you know, _evidence_ for anything you assert? > Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Some shaky, grainy, shopped camera work by a TV company that requires disclaimers that it the show is for “entertainment purposes only” (go ahead and check the credits) is not exactly earth shattering or convincing. Worse, argument by incredulity (“the universe is just too complex to ‘blah blah blah’”) is no more convincing. Once upon a time, people were incredulous about the earth going around the sun (we don’t feel like we’re moving, do we?). That’s why science took hold. Stuff that’s backed up by experiment and evidence is accepted. Otherwise, it’s not. That’s pretty friggin’ simple. > > Plenty of people in this thread have said they are willing to entertain actual evidence. But until and unless you show some, they’ve got absolutely no reason to just take your word for anything. Who says I was arguing? I was simply asking questions as to why I was being called disrespectful or insulting when there are clearly others who are. I am sure there are plenty of other people on this board who have said worse. Why should I have to explain myself to you? most of what I asserted was common sense, most people will deny anything if it doesn’t match up to there own beliefs or non beliefs, it doesn’t make it any less real or true. If Science is so great at explaining things than why haven’t scientists figured out, why we think, feel,? Who we are? How we came to be? Why why were here? Were Intuition really comes from? Were does Energy come from? What really happens to us when we die ? Why do we love? If Scientists really have all the answers then why haven’t we gotten any? If there really is no afterlife then why hasn’t it been proven without a doubt that it doesn’t exist? If you really think our universe can be boxed in and explained in simple terms then that to me is irrational because life isn’t simple and it can’t be explained away in logical terms. There are millions upon millions of people worldwide who say they have experienced some sort of paranormal experience, you can’t honestly say that all of them must be delusional and crazy just because there is no evidence to support there claims. ---
**Author:** ![Ghostlover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Ghostlover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghostlover)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/102 "2013-07-08T05:33:15Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is nonsense, and I am tired of discussing it with you. I don’t care what you intended to say and I’m not interested in your subjective (or rather “made up”) interpretation of your own post. I’m looking at what you actually said, and it was an insult. And since you keep making excuses, I will say this one last time: don’t do it again or you’re done here. If you have any other questions or comments, you can start a thread in the About This Message Board section or you can send me a private message. Hmm why so defensive I was just asking a question,You might know what I said but you have no idea what my intentions were, so you can’t honestly say that I said what I said the way you think I said it, its not about making excuses I already know that the way I choose to say it was probably not the best way, but that doesn’t make me disrespectful or insulting just because I choose to say something in a different way, that just makes me human and all humans are prone to error, I find it unfair and insulting that you keep on threatening me that I am done here if I do it again, I have said numerous times that I have no intention of saying what I did again, so why can’t you just let it go and leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/103 "2013-07-08T09:03:43Z")
**Ghostlover** –this Board is well-moderated. Getting into it with a Mod is not good for your future here. Learn the Board culture a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/104 "2013-07-08T11:01:34Z")
> [@Ghostlover](#): > > If Science is so great at explaining things than why haven’t scientists figured out, why we think, feel,? Who we are? How we came to be? Why why were here? Were Intuition really comes from? Were does Energy come from? What really happens to us when we die ? Why do we love? If Scientists really have all the answers then why haven’t we gotten any? If there really is no afterlife then why hasn’t it been proven without a doubt that it doesn’t exist? If you really think our universe can be boxed in and explained in simple terms then that to me is irrational because life isn’t simple and it can’t be explained away in logical terms. Not knowing is simply intellectual honesty. You also seem to be conflating “have posited an answer” with “knowing”. Religion, spiritual gurus, or some homeless guy’s scribblings on the back of a napkin have no claim to “knowing” these things any more than science does. They’ve merely claimed confidence in knowing an answer to a question that is either unknowable or unknown. Sure, “science” doesn’t know, but neither does anyone else. Science (as an institution) is just more honest about it, that gives them more points in my book. And science isn’t “simple”, that’s a misconception. Science is **as simple as it needs to be** , there’s a large gulf of difference. Science is exactly as complicated as it needs to be to describe what we know about the universe – and it turns out that actually means pretty damned complicated. If you think it’s simple then by all means go get a degree in Biology (including molecular, evolutionary, and all other subfields), Physics (quantum, nuclear, etc), Chemistry (organic… you get the point) at the same time and tell me how “simple” science is. If you passed that test, by all means, publish a paper in every post-graduate level natural science field. I’ll be back in about 80 years to hear from you. Science isn’t out for a desire to make things simple and fit in boxes. It’s in the business of describing things accurately. This is an incredibly intricate, complex, elegant, and most of all deeply beautiful endeavor – I fail to see why adding more complexity just out of a misguided notion that there’s “more to the universe” would improve anything. There’s great beauty in both its simplicity and its complexity, the fact that it dances between too simple and too complex until it settles on a point that seems sound. The fact that it sees things as how they are, and what they do; not as how they should or why. No, science doesn’t answer “why we love” or “who we are”, but it’s not trying to. It cannot. It’s honest about that. It doesn’t need to. And it’s far more beautiful when it doesn’t. ETA: Also, for serious protip: never, ever, ever say “I’m just asking questions.” Like, ever. It’s like getting an email from a Nigerian Prince. Sure, he may legitimately need you to help transfer some money and may indeed be royalty, but saying it pretty much ensures he’ll never get help. “I’m just asking questions” is pretty much the same thing with craziness, even if you’re not crazy the phrase helps your credibility almost never. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/105 "2013-07-08T11:12:10Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > No, science doesn’t answer “why we love” or “who we are”, but it’s not trying to. It cannot. It’s honest about that. It doesn’t need to. And it’s far more beautiful when it doesn’t. And those questions just might not have answers at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/106 "2013-07-08T11:14:29Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > And those questions just might not have answers at all. Well, that was covered under the “cannot” part, I thought. Maybe not. I guess that presupposes that science can answer everything and since it can’t answer those then therefore they’re unanswerable. Which wasn’t my intention. So you’re correct. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/107 "2013-07-08T11:19:35Z")
Yes, the point I was making that not only does science not have answers to those questions, but there might be no other source for answers, other than just deciding for yourself what you think the best answers are, if any. Anyway, I think science does have a decent shot at answering “why we love.” But probably not “who we are.” And that’s because they are two different kinds of questions. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/108 "2013-07-08T11:23:27Z")
No, I agree. There’s a decent shot at answering “why we love” with neuroscience and such (presupposing that we haven’t already answered the basic gist at a strictly operational level), though the answer is likely one that won’t be philosophically satisfying to most people. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/109 "2013-07-08T13:55:58Z")
I’m warning **Ghostlover** for ignoring my instructions. Everybody else plase drop this hijack unless you consider it interesting enough for an ATMB thread or private messages. I don’t think there’s all that much interest from board regulars in the original thread topic, but this isn’t the place to discuss moderating. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/110 "2013-07-08T13:59:58Z")
Today’s XKCD seems relevant: > **[Settled](https://xkcd.com/1235/)** > > Well, we've really only settled the question of ghosts that emit or reflect visible light. Or move objects around. Or make any kind of sound. But that covers all the ones that appear in Ghostbusters, so I think we're good. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/111 "2013-07-08T15:45:41Z")
So I am guessing someone on another board spotted this thread and went to a TV forum to tell them all about our bad words about their ghost shows, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Ghostlover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Ghostlover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghostlover)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/112 "2013-07-08T19:35:08Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Not knowing is simply intellectual honesty. You also seem to be conflating “have posited an answer” with “knowing”. Religion, spiritual gurus, or some homeless guy’s scribblings on the back of a napkin have no claim to “knowing” these things any more than science does. They’ve merely claimed confidence in knowing an answer to a question that is either unknowable or unknown. Sure, “science” doesn’t know, but neither does anyone else. Science (as an institution) is just more honest about it, that gives them more points in my book. > > And science isn’t “simple”, that’s a misconception. Science is **as simple as it needs to be** , there’s a large gulf of difference. Science is exactly as complicated as it needs to be to describe what we know about the universe – and it turns out that actually means pretty damned complicated. If you think it’s simple then by all means go get a degree in Biology (including molecular, evolutionary, and all other subfields), Physics (quantum, nuclear, etc), Chemistry (organic… you get the point) at the same time and tell me how “simple” science is. If you passed that test, by all means, publish a paper in every post-graduate level natural science field. I’ll be back in about 80 years to hear from you. > > Science isn’t out for a desire to make things simple and fit in boxes. It’s in the business of describing things accurately. This is an incredibly intricate, complex, elegant, and most of all deeply beautiful endeavor – I fail to see why adding more complexity just out of a misguided notion that there’s “more to the universe” would improve anything. There’s great beauty in both its simplicity and its complexity, the fact that it dances between too simple and too complex until it settles on a point that seems sound. The fact that it sees things as how they are, and what they do; not as how they should or why. > > No, science doesn’t answer “why we love” or “who we are”, but it’s not trying to. It cannot. It’s honest about that. It doesn’t need to. And it’s far more beautiful when it doesn’t. > > ETA: Also, for serious protip: never, ever, ever say “I’m just asking questions.” Like, ever. It’s like getting an email from a Nigerian Prince. Sure, he may legitimately need you to help transfer some money and may indeed be royalty, but saying it pretty much ensures he’ll never get help. “I’m just asking questions” is pretty much the same thing with craziness, even if you’re not crazy the phrase helps your credibility almost never. I never said I know all the answers I was just pointing out how other people don’t have all the answers, and yes Religion, spiritual gurus, ect has no way of knowing for sure either , however that doesn’t make all of them crazy or delusional either, I personally don’t belong to any Religion I believe Religion was man made, however I do believe there is a higher power, and that the paranormal is real I know because I have experienced it throughout my life, and it can’t be proven, and there is no evidence, but much like Science can’t answer who we are are, or why were here, maybe it isn’t suppose to maybe that’s the beauty of it, I already know Science isn’t meant to answer everything, however there are people out there who call themselves Scientists who actually do think they know everything that’s all I was referring to, and your right about the questions I should have just left it be, but sometimes I tend to take things a bit personally when I feel my character is being questioned. ---
**Author:** ![spoilerover13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8491ac/32.png) [@spoilerover13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spoilerover13)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/113 "2013-07-21T02:03:03Z")
Okay i understand where your guys are coming from has myself a fan of the show even wonders if it`s real or fake.But to be honest,how can we judge them for something that real ghost hunters themselves will say they don’t know what there recording on these videos.They aren’t even sure that ghost are real or not. The only thing they can say for sure is that what they find on these sessions have no actual physical explanation.If your doubting me on this then i suggest you go to the lengths these people go threw such has highly quarantine areas that can give you many types of diseases and are infested with wild animals and try and lock yourself in there for the night with the power turned off the entire time.And just see for yourself how hard it is for them to do this but still find some need to do it. and after you have done this you will see the feelings and sounds you hear aren’t physically possible.ANd if you ask me to do it i have with 3 buddies of mine in the kentucky sanatorium which does this on occasions with groups of people . ---
**Author:** ![Goosie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@Goosie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goosie)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/114 "2013-07-21T04:39:04Z")
What a question to ask the atheists/materialists on the SDMB. It’s fake, and they’ll have anyone shot who dares disagree with them. Life is pointless anyway, so they’ll be no consequences for any executions they deem necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/115 "2013-07-21T04:42:26Z")
> [@spoilerover13](#): > > They aren’t even sure that ghost are real or not. They think it’s 50-50, don’t they? Meaning it’s something you can actually debate? It isn’t. > [@](#): > > The only thing they can say for sure is that what they find on these sessions have no actual physical explanation. If they say that, they’re wrong. > [@Goosie](#): > > It’s fake, and they’ll have anyone shot who dares disagree with them. Yup, this is one of them rootin’ tootin’ executin’ message boards. [Translation: what?] ---
**Author:** ![pkoomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6bbea6/32.png) [@pkoomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkoomer)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/116 "2013-08-30T16:04:49Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > What I read said the majority or most of them do …I think in my post I wrote almost all and I don’t think its a very good comparison (native Americans to all Europeans and every religion that existed) native Americans are not nearly as large a group as all of Europe and every religion… Of course there are different tribes but they share most of the same primary or basic beliefs. The only reason native American’s aren’t as large of a group as Europeans is because of disease and their lack of war technology when we virtually exterminated them… because of their lack of technology and inability to connect with tribes over long distances like Europeans did their belief systems were even more diverse than Europe’s (they didn’t have horses or wagons). Modern Natives are less diverse because they’ve been forced into reservations close to each other but their beliefs are still varied and a large portion are christian. using the term afterlife is so generic it’s like saying that a whole culture uses cleaner… what kind of cleaner? soap? shampoo? glass plus? vinegar? There is no shame saying you believe something but have no evidence, but saying that some race that you think are mystical because there aren’t any near you in order to support your ridiculous belief is pretty pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/117 "2013-08-30T20:28:42Z")
The show is real. Cite: I am a ghost and have been on there. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/118 "2013-08-30T21:31:20Z")
What color sheet were you wearing? ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/119 "2013-08-30T22:23:54Z")
> [@Kimballkid](#): > > What color sheet were you wearing? Pfft. Sheets are for amateurs who can’t manifest properly. And by the way a lot of us don’t like the term “ghosts.” We prefer "Non-corporeal being. " ---
**Author:** ![Placebo444](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ad7895/32.png) [@Placebo444](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Placebo444)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587/120 "2013-10-14T16:28:05Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Ghost Adventures is the fakest of all the fake ghost shows. Its absurdly melodramatic. Ghosts arent real people. They would violate the laws of physics., quantum physics on the other hand… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-ghost-adventures-on-the-travel-channel-real-or-fake/650587.md?page=7)